No. 36 — Adapting Your Work in the World ft. Karen Scholle
My friend and fellow mystic Karen Scholle is a 1/4 Splenic Projector and Reiki practitioner who dared to question the seven-chakra model she was taught. I wanted to check in to see how her innocent experimenting was going after she popped in on InSight No. 25. Through her own burnout, motherhood, and experiment with being a nine-centred being, she began translating Reiki into a system that could adapt with modern energetics.
We talk about everything from healing the body AND the home environment, to a significant touch-cognition baby story, to the surprising side effect that’s been happening in her practice — a collective sexual reawakening.
Karen has a special way of bridging the old and the new, innocently reclaiming our heightened sensitivity, and realizing that healing isn’t a top-down current anymore — it’s a collaborative field of awareness between practitioner, client, and environment.
In this InSight, we discuss:
00:00 How Reiki found Karen
05:00 Discovering the 9-Centred body
10:24 The Projector experience of burnout
14:55 Breaking the “Reiki rules” and trusting her vision
20:48 The evolution of distance Reiki
26:39 Energy work, motherhood, and the baby’s environment
36:30 The home as a living energetic field
44:00 Emotional digestion and the role of awareness
52:10 The link between energy work, pleasure, and creativity
Here's Karen's Colour Palette:
KAREN SCHOLLE
Design Type: 1/4 Splenic Projector
Colour Palette: Appetite / Mountains / Probability / Innocence
Find Karen at:
karenscholle.com
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Vaness Henry (00:03.63) It's Vaness Henry. You're listening to Insights, my private podcast exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight.
Vaness Henry (00:20.398) Karen, welcome back to the pod.
Hi, Vaness. Thank you for having me.
Welcome back. So great to have you back. There was a really cool experience you had recently that I was wanting to chat a little bit more about. You are my go-to Reiki practitioner. I've only ever had distance Reiki with you. But Reiki is one of my favorite kind of healing practices and healing arts. And it's something that I like to kind of build into my own practice regularly. So how did you get into being a Reiki practitioner? How'd that find you?
Reiki has been on my radar for decades. My dad is a chiropractor, and so alternative health, alternative wellness has always been a big part of my life. And I had been hearing about Reiki for a long, long time, but I hit a burnout wall. And something about the timing there, I was like, okay, Reiki, it's time.
Is chiropractor considered alter-
Karen Scholle (01:16.846) It is in the US, and it definitely was in 1981 when he set up his practice.
And I guess to people who are doctors, maybe there's a perception there. Because to me, Cairo would be more in the medical realm than a healing art. I've never heard it described that way, but you're actually making me think about it differently. Why isn't it? It's absolutely a healing art. Absolutely. You see the way they do things to you?
I don't know what Leah's, the American Medical Association did some things with some rules at a certain point in American history that intentionally sort of blocked them from this official, you know, approved whatever.
Okay, interesting. I had idea. Okay, so you're steeped with a dad who's in that type of environment. Yes. Okay.
Okay.
Karen Scholle (02:03.278) And dad also does acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. so I grew up learning about meridians and body systems and hearing about these other things. So I have adrenal burnout. like, my life has imploded. I'm like 38, 39. And at that point I was like, okay, it's time for Reiki. So I started learning about Reiki.
And what drew me in was, you know, it's a self-healing practice. I was like, okay, I really, I want to have some power, some agency to do something for myself. I was feeling really frustrated with my experience in like going to doctors and trying to get my problem solved and no one was really doing the thing. So I found Reiki, I started working with it. And about the same time I found human design and I had this conflict of like, well, this is seven. Traditional Reiki is rooted in seven chakras.
But I have this amazing new system to look at and it's based on nine centers. So I was in an in-between space where I was learning the craft of Reiki and starting to feel the physical effects of, I do feel better doing this energy work on myself.
Okay, and human design coming online for you at that time, you're a one-four splenic projector. And you know, when projectors come to the system, they have a different experience because what was your experience coming to the human design system and discovering that about yourself? In tandem, you're learning about Reiki. your whole human design, of course, is nine energy centers. Reiki is a seven chakra system, you know? But what's unique about your work is you were doing this
at a time learning about these both at the same time. So Reiki became a nine centered practice for you. But you're a projector now coming to the system. So what's it like discovering you're a projector?
Karen Scholle (03:50.092) That was one of those moments where, everything makes sense. No other explanation of why I am the way I am, why my experience has been so difficult and painful. Like no explanation ever came close. And I bump into human design, I'm like, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, my God, check, check, check, check. It just kind of explained everything. So there was the part of it that...
made so much sense with my experience and then, you know, projectors finding a system that explains everything. I mean, I went head first into it. was like, it was like, was, my God, it was like I was raiding a library. Like when I found out about the Megafile, I kind of lost my mind. What's the... Megafile is like this open secret in the human design community that is a shared resource. I mean, I pass around the link all the time now, but when I first got it, it was sort of...
Megafile.
Karen Scholle (04:44.788) surreptitiously slid over to me like don't tell anyone you've got the mega file because no one's supposed to have
Some funny manifestors. Manifestors had a Facebook group where they put every single resource they had ever found into a shared resource. So manifestors were all like, yeah, set up. But you're saying that, so the projector experience though we know is a unique experience. We know it is slightly different. And you're saying for you it's particularly difficult and painful. What was the experiences as the projector that were the difficult, painful experiences that seemed to be different than everyone else? Or than other energy types perhaps.
Because we know your energy works differently, but we don't always understand that in practice.
Yeah. There was the very basic thing of how I don't have the same amount of energy. Totally. A feeling of I can't keep up. And what is wrong with me that I can't do this? Other people make it look easy. Working 40 hour weeks, that seems to not be a big deal for everyone I know. And it is such a struggle. I have to dig in so deep and dig into some resource that feels like I'm raiding something. know, something always felt off about.
trying to
Vaness Henry (05:54.318) As a non-sacral, I share the projector, but I too was like, this is like, not a feeling of can't keep up, but almost like hyper competition that would come out of me because everybody seems to last longer than me. But then once I started working, I always did work like not in a traditional way. I've kind of been an entrepreneur right out of college. So I was able to sort of create my own.
schedule because I couldn't, I had to, I was gonna die. I was like, I can't keep up with this. I'm gonna have to figure out a different way. So that feels like a shared non-sacral experience. But I appreciate that the manifestor has a different aura and a different, yeah, like energetic, but you're a non-energy projector. Some projectors are energy projectors. You're splenic and don't have a root connection or anything. It's spleen, G-center, throat and ajna. So you're learning about human design.
You discover Reiki. Well, you know about Reiki, but you start experimenting and practicing Reiki and you make this adjustment to do nine centered Reiki. How does the, so how did this, how did this go? How did this start? I'm a recipient of it and I love it.
It felt like I was doing something dangerous and forbidden when I first started playing around with it. One of the rules that I learned from my Reiki teacher was we don't talk to the recipient about this. You know, when I started practicing, I was like breaking this rule of telling the recipient what my experience was of it. And before that, I had broken this other rule of like, I don't know if the system as it was given to me, Reiki, is correct. How can it be correct? And so I entered into this kind of like secret experiment.
of what if I do, like go through the motions of a Reiki treatment on myself, but instead of thinking about these seven chakras, I think about the nine centers. And I started having these like emotional experiences as I was doing that. And I was hitting on something and I was seeing these blobby colors and sensory stuff started unlocking. And I was like, I'm onto something, but I'm afraid to talk about it.
Vaness Henry (07:53.87) You know, and like, I know you and I have talked about this before even privately, but in the shamanic arts, and I think in a lot of esoteric studies, there is this aspect of do not share with the client, do not share with the recipient, because your own interpretation might be jarring to them. They may not need to know that. They just need you to go in and do, let's say,
the clearing or the retrieval or whatever it is that you're doing. And I wanna share that also doesn't feel right for me as the practitioner, but also as the recipient, as the recipient receiving whatever the thing is that I'm participating in. I love when the practitioner comes to me. I'm a high sound person though and shares what they experienced. I find that that does a lot of my own unlocking.
And I have a mentor that I work with who will do certain shamanic stuff with me and he won't always communicate with me what he's doing. And I always feel like I wanna ask and I do, and he then will tell me because I'm like, I want to, for me, there is something in that additional information. So in my own practice, when I work with people, there's like an assessment, like you can feel sometimes they don't need to know this or maybe that's for me, but for the most part,
just based on even if you're reading their humanness of how they are in that moment, you know, maybe this isn't necessary. At least that's kind of what happens in me. Not that you're necessarily withholding, but it's just not necessary. That's the only way I can describe it. But I always feel called to share as the practitioner. And I'm hearing that you also felt called to share, but I appreciate, feels like you're doing something wrong because all your elders and teachers or ancestors or guides and mentors in this have said,
Not for them, keep it for you. It's too holy or whatever the story is. So yeah, it feels like you're breaking a rule. Someone's gonna come get mad at you. You're gonna get arrested. Like it just feels like kind of like a survival thing kicks in. yeah, I share that with you.
Karen Scholle (09:52.364) Yeah, I have since kind of put some things together though, like the discomfort of not disclosing to the recipient probably is hitting on personal experience of feeling like my doctor isn't telling me everything. What are you not telling me? Why don't I get to see my own chart? You know, like there's this gatekeeping relationship with physicians and with, you know, medical care, particularly as a woman in America, like our system is really specifically gate-capped in all these different ways. And just open communication with the physician.
Yeah, I do just want to acknowledge I'm in Canada. We have completely different medical systems I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of what goes on with you But from what I've heard from my friends in America, you just have a completely different experience Like you guys have to pay for a lot of things yourself You have to fight for the certain things that you want and while that can happen in Canada I do want to say our experience here is different so I can't fully relate to you, but I've heard the stories Yeah, and hearing that that makes a lot of sense to me
there is these feelings sometimes that you don't know what you don't know when you go into a doctor's office, and that's very intimidating. And the idea that they may not be sharing everything with you is kind of discomforting, you know? So I hadn't actually thought of that. And that's a pretty, that's a significant point, I think, as to why people who are on the, not confined by the rules of, let's say, the medical field, or they're doing something in alternative healing, they have this sense of wanting to connect with the humanness on the other side, you know?
Yeah. So there was all this sort of discomfort, but also a feeling of, have to investigate that. Like I have to figure this out.
So what did you figure out then? What's your unique approach compared to traditional reiki? What are you doing now?
Karen Scholle (11:33.294) mean, Reiki is about a practitioner connecting with the universal field of energy, directing that through themself into the recipient. And so there is this sort of conduit role that the practitioner plays in traditional Reiki. And I had my practice of doing it that way and then directing it toward the nine centers and then starting to talk to people about what I was seeing as I was working on them. I mean, I'm at a point now where I'm like,
Nine-Centered Reiki is a fundamental shift from traditional Reiki in that I'm not even doing the same sort of unidirectional thing. I don't know that that... It might be a logical fallacy that I can tap into energy, direct it through me and be untouched by anything on the other side of it, you know? But that was kind of the premise of Reiki as it was sold to me, you know? That I'm gonna be this neutral party that just directs the energy. And what I'm learning through Nine-Centered Reiki is that...
rate.
Karen Scholle (12:31.538) This is a collaborative approach to moving energy and information. And I don't know how to talk about exactly what's happening, but something magical is happening.
So, okay, well, this is a good one with it to point out your innocence motivation. That's a really sparkly way of why I like watching you. But I know I kind of introduced you, you're one for splenic projector. But the way I like to talk about people is you're a mountains projector. I'm a shores manifestor. I like to lead with the environment, just unique to my own studies. Nobody else really does that. There's not really a culture around that, but I love, I would love if there was. Yeah. But you're a mountains projector. So to me, right away there is, you exist on a,
I'm gonna call it a higher plane in a different realm. You see things objectively differently than everybody else around you. There's something unique about your perspective that the five other archetypal environments, caves, markets, kitchens, valleys and shores people, do not see it the way you see it. You have a different vantage point when you're aligned. And so anytime I see someone's mountains, it's like, it's a way of like, and a projector, you have this brilliant capacity for recognition and you're on another level, if I could say it.
simply, you know? And I remember when I was having Reiki with you for the first time and you were sharing the experience after your outer vision cognition. And I was like, she is literally going up into her mountain. She's essentially shamanic journeying to the individual, because it was Distance Reiki. And she is seeing, from the work that I do, I felt you came into my playing field, you came into my inner world, and I was going to give you a tour.
and you were gonna see it all. And so you started reflecting what you saw. And so then you came back to me and said, you know, I pulled this out of the spleen. That's nice common language for us. I pulled this out of the head center or I noticed this in the G center. And so it was those things you had kind of communicated to me like, this doesn't mean specific things to me, but I felt called to communicate it with you. And those things meant something to me.
Vaness Henry (14:35.434) You know, so yes, you had gone and done the energy healing and the work on me, but you also had a sensorial visual experience through it. And you felt you wanted to share that with me. And when you did, I got so much extra for my consciousness, for my spirit, not just the body work or the energy work that you had done, but there was connection points I could then make thanks to your touch, you know, your way of kind of moving through that. And so that's when I was like to you, girl.
That outer vision was on point.
I was so scared. was like, I mean, me telling you what I saw in that session was the first time I told someone all of the stuff I saw in a session.
And then now I'm just this loud bulldozer who's like, Karen, Karen, Karen.
Now I'm like, thank God for Vaness giving me like the little nudge because I would be still probably keeping it quiet, I think.
Karen Scholle (15:35.704) Thank you. Okay, the impact.
That little bone? Or are you telling me about my impact?
I mean, I I conceive of manifest your impact differently now because of that. That was a that was a like worldview shifting life altering nudge that you
That's very kind, thank you. Because in the Manifestor community, we have a lot of fear, traumas around our impact. So to hear of a positive reflection and how that shifted in you is actually deeply kind, Karen. Thank you.
I think about it so often, like the way that, I mean, the nudge is often uncomfortable. It's like, what? huh, know? But it's love. Like, manifest your impact is love. What an honor to get that bump. Like, gee. Seriously, I'm so in love with you. And part of that experience is that you gave me this loving nudge to like, just, just.
Vaness Henry (16:14.382) course, every night, Jim.
Vaness Henry (16:24.088) That is so nice.
Karen Scholle (16:35.618) Just be your innocent self. Like, it's okay.
It's okay. It's okay. And also you're an example of a modern mystic out there. You are in this time of mutating, bridging these existing systems for this new world that is en route. And you're doing the brave experiments that are scary, you know? And when we understand we are more than seven chakras, we have nine energy centers, there was a mutation in our energy centers, there's more areas to be aware of now. Once I'm really attracted to
practitioners and mystics whose work reflects that evolution in us. Like I like when they have an awareness of human design because it makes me feel like there's an acknowledgement in speaking to a more aware human being. know, we have multiple awareness centers in the study of human design. So when you hear these other practitioners adjusting their classic systems to be able to...
I guess create something new. It's very exciting. I'm very attracted to people doing that. Or there's a lot of people in like in the kind of space that we're in who will kind of blend, let's say human design, astrology and gene keys. Love that. Love that. Love when people do that beautiful brain for us, you know? So it's an exciting time, I think, when people...
Yeah.
Vaness Henry (17:55.902) are curious about adapting their tools and methodologies, even if it's tapping. People are tapping and they'll tap in different places along certain meridians, but they'll not do it with different centers because there's this growing awareness of, we are more aware. So what are some of the things that, what are some, like, I would love if you could share kind of an incredible story with us about some of these experiences that you've been doing, because you do a lot of distance reiki, but you do a lot of in-person reiki.
But you have this human design awareness. So people have started to come to you with let's say issues or concerns and you kind of essentially journey to them and work on them doing Reiki at a distance. how's that been going?
It is continually amazing. There's no, it's so hard to describe. I keep having these experiences where I go into my meditative state to do distance reiki and I visualize myself being in this mountain A-frame cabin. It's got a big window out on the mountain, snowy, beautiful. And I bring the person in and they lay down on this table and I close my eyes within that visualization and then I start seeing things and.
At the beginning of this process of me practicing this, I was like, whoa, I don't know what I'm seeing. There was like the judging eye that was right behind the seeing eye. And so what I was seeing was being kind of critiqued. I was like, what is that? Explain it, explain it. The more I do this, the more the seeing eye is right up front and the explaining eye is taking kind of a backseat. And I can just be like, okay, well, there is a small creature in the space with us. I think it's a cat. It might be a small dog. I don't know.
The cat wanted me to follow him. And so I followed him down a long white hallway. And then we morphed into this other environment. And then I saw this thing pop up out of your throat center. And then I felt a lumpy pressure in my throat and I started crying. you know, innocence motivation, something about the sort of innocent bystander objective reporter really makes sense to me because there is that judging eye that wants to explain the story.
Karen Scholle (19:58.062) gets in the way of the objective reporting, the who, what, when, where, why, how. Like you're a journalist, or you have a journalism background. You know what that is, right? There's an objective, like, this is what I saw.
You want an unbiased objective report, but you also have to contend with we all carry inherent biases. it's like, do I navigate around that? I want to point out what I think is happening in you and why you're brilliant. I'm looking off camera here because I'm looking at your body graph on my other computer. And as an outer vision person,
I guess I should preface with, I always look at the variable. I specialize in variable. I'm always looking at the inner architecture of the individual, because I wanna see where you're brilliant. I'm watching you be aligned and I wanna understand, right? That's the journalism objectivity. Like, let us understand what's happening here. Somebody whose outer vision does have this incredible capability within them to see the way things could be disassembled. Like these are the kids who will like take things apart to kind of understand them. And so there is this aspect of this kind of almost visionary.
connections, seeing things, you this is an active brain, but you also have your mountains with a taste tone. So you go into like from your space, I'm imagining you in sort of your A-frame cabin where you are working on these individuals and then you are getting these little samples of these experiences. Like to me, a cat showed up and it took you somewhere and there was this white, like that's in shamanism, I would be translating all that. To me, I know exactly what that's all meaning. as for, so when you come communicate that to me, I'm like,
like, right. But that's my experience, not saying that's what everybody else kind of would have. But you had this unique experience lately that I would love to kind of hear more about where you had a client call to you for a touch cognition baby. Would you share a little bit more about what happened there?
Karen Scholle (21:44.386) Yeah, so my friend reached out and her six month old touch cognition baby was having this terrible bout of eczema that kept getting worse. So he's got this like itchy rash, it's spreading. What do we do?
Well, okay, first, actually, before we get there, I introduce this baby as a touch cognition baby because that's my interest. But I think we would normally introduce this baby as like, what's their design type?
So this is a manifestor.
Okay, so we've got this manifestor baby. And you had been like, this baby has rashes. And when you came to me about it, I like, let's look for touch cognition, because that's a touch cognition symptom. And sure enough, you said this baby is touch. So what you then kind of do this sort of distance treatment, what do you discover?
Man, so I went in and did a couple different treatments for this family. Like I did a direct reiki treatment for mom, and I also did a home reiki treatment.
Vaness Henry (22:43.278) I'm very curious about that. I would love to talk about that after.
I mean, this, That experience was incredible.
So we did a treatment on mom, a treatment on the home, and did you do specific treatment on the baby? You didn't? No, Okay.
Now, there is a consent piece. And especially with a manifestor, like I'm not gonna come in and be like, I declare that I have consent to do that. Like projector aura is real pokey. Like there's a lot of consent stuff for me. So I'm very careful about that. doing the environment, I wanted to get a sense of, cause there was a part of, mean, okay, a touch cognition manifestor baby is showing symptoms in the skin. He's six months old. What conditioning?
Yeah, that's what I was like, so what do you...
Karen Scholle (23:26.902) What could it be? It's the environment. It's mom and dad. Like what's happening there emotionally? That was my first thought was like, something in the environment is speaking through the baby's body.
Yeah, in my work, when I'm noticing a symptom, like, and we've identified its touch, I'm gonna look, is that on the determination variable in the diet, or is that in the environment variable in the lifestyle? Because then I know we've got a diet impairment, and we do a diet adjustment, or a lifestyle adjustment. So in the case of this is a touch cognition baby, baby is essentially eating something in its formless reality. And so it can kind of be confronting as a parent,
to think there's a way I'm living that could be making my baby sick in some way. you know, how did you deliver that information gently? Okay, yeah.
Very carefully. Very carefully. mean, really...
As a parrot that would terrify me, right? Like I'm like, my god.
Karen Scholle (24:22.174) Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't wanna like, I never wanna make, like I don't wanna pile on for women, mothers.
Yeah! Like nobody's doing anything wrong, but maybe be more aware.
There's nothing wrong and also like being a mom is the hardest job in the world. Full stop. know, and as a mom, I'm not gonna come in and be like, you are doing this wrong and look at how sick your baby is. You're making a big-
So we don't know that she is. Like we just know there is something in the end, like that's our own perception, we just know there is something in this baby's life that the baby can't digest. Yeah. What might that be? Yeah, set the.
So something is... I would say something is inflaming, irritating. You we're seeing this sort of eruption in the skin.
Vaness Henry (25:06.138) to me on a manifesto is that is that there's their anger right if you're if you're looking like Louise Hayes work yes for dr. Yvette Rose a lot of their work will talk about like the rashing is the anger that you know coming through the skin and so interesting thing
Inflammation. Inflammation in my mind is always like, is that anger or frustration? Like what level of intensity are we in? Because I think they're kind of the same thing. So yeah, I mean, was talking to the mom about, this is something is not being digested correctly. This is what's happening. The inflamed rash makes me think it's on the anger axis. So, you know, where are we angry? And then also like, I know that mom had a traumatic pregnancy.
didn't have great experiences with doctors. Yeah, this was, I mean, this is a one three mom. And she third lined her way through this pregnancy and the medical establishment that she was working with. there was.
origin story.
Vaness Henry (26:02.798) It's BB's first environment. Yes. And, you know, I think a lot about this and how I was in my pregnancy. And I feel a lot of ways about this, and they're not good ways. You know, I was not accepting of my pregnancy because I was told I could never have kids. And then I all of a sudden got pregnant. I couldn't understand this, what happened to me. And I didn't choose it as like the ego manifestor. So there was this inner war. There's no pictures of me because I didn't want this to believe this was real. I almost died during the labor. It was so much...
And then I think that's how my child came into the world. Makes me feel awful. Makes me feel awful. And that was when I started studying, yeah, energetics when I became a parent.
I have similar mom guilt, you know? I was not trying to get pregnant. I didn't know what to do about it. I didn't feel like I was going to be equipped. I was scared, bitter, anxious, angry, emotional. mean, all the things that I... Who I am and also who I'm not supposed to be and I mean...
my child became the best thing that ever happened to me. So it's like funny to even imagine, like that's now so much of my focus and drive and understanding the way children's cognitive potential could be developed and nurtured for all generations going forward. I have a stellium in my fifth house and sometimes people can perceive that as you're a bit of a flirt or you have a connection with like children. And I always thought that was a weird part of my design. Cause I'm like, I don't have a connection with children. Like I guess I grew up in a hospital like surrounded by sick kids, like I guess, but now.
Now I see a lot of like the drive to be loud or to say something is always kind of around children and like their needs and their, but that story started with a rejection of being a creator in that way, being a parent in that way, you know? And so it just, yeah, so the, feel ashamed that I would have.
Vaness Henry (27:56.546) done that to him on some level, you know? And I can't undo it. so it's, ugh, I just gotta make up for...
The I can't go back and like Parenting is like we're learning so much on the fly all the time and then for me there's always that retroactive like I wish I had known that five minutes ago five years ago, but I couldn't
And then it's over. Like, you you said your daughter's 25 and you're still her parent, but she's her own person now and exploring the world. And like, my child is 10. And I feel like, holy cow, that went really fast. That went really fast. Like, I find it very devastating. And to watch him develop and his cognitive potential come online, I'm a feeling cognition kid, is just, it's been incredible to watch, but he's already a tween. He's already becoming a young man.
He's already almost the same height and weight as me. And I'm just like, that was really fast. It's so hard when they're little and then it's over.
Yeah, and it switches gears and you kind of don't notice until you're already through the door.
Vaness Henry (29:03.566) Totally how I feel. Yeah, beautiful phrase.
It's like, what happened, what happened? My baby isn't a baby anymore.
And they have their own thoughts and they have their own ideas and their own opinions about the world and me and you know.
Yeah. my God. And the double edged sword of raising a kid to question authority and be an independent thinker and then having that directed back at you as the parent.
Yeah, you know, like, we're a really chill family. We're not, we're all undefined solar plexus. So we're, we're very chill and I have a very chill kid. And if anything, I find I'm encouraging lately, like, you don't have to, you don't have to take that. Like, you don't have to accept everything. You can stand up and say no. And it's, you know, cause he's so laissez faire. Like he's so, yeah, it's chill, chill mom, cool, whatever. Cause we're like that. But now I'm like,
Vaness Henry (29:52.47) Yeah, but you want that. can go after that, buddy. Like, you know, like there's this like encouragement. It's wild.
I mean, my daughter has undefined Ajna head, throat. And so much of like my version of that is like, well, here's how that makes sense, babe. Like I'm offering mental reassurance and certainty where I'm like, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, you don't have to be worried. Like this all makes perfect sense. Don't doubt yourself. Don't doubt. Hanging four, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's like we want to lend our kid whatever we've got.
I just want to understand him and encourage him to be whoever he wants to be. Like, it's just exciting to watch him. There's nothing else that's more exciting to watch him. So as a parent, coming back to our story, I can understand that it would be very triggering and upsetting to think that there could be something that I'm doing without awareness that my child can't digest. I struggled a lot as a young parent when my child was young. I had a feeling cognition little boy who had lots of feelings.
He was absorbing everything I was feeling and showing it to me, you know? And it was hard. So I'm thinking about like, if I had someone come in and was helping me assess my child and they're saying he's eating something he can't digest, I'd be like, okay, what new food did I give him? Is it his milk? But you're actually saying your child is so evolved, they're eating so much more than just the food you're putting in their mouth.
They're actually eating the energy on you when you come in. my God, I would love to share something with you. I don't know if I've shared this and I'd love to get her on my insights after going forward. But my social media manager, she had a baby and she had a touch cognition baby. forgive me if I'm repeating myself to you, but she said the baby consents when she leaves the room or when she's like the baby sleeps in a bassinet.
Vaness Henry (31:46.184) And if we quietly leave the space, the baby is aware. The baby has an aura that extends beyond the bassinet and can feel and touch things going on in the space. And I had done kind of like a child reading for her of like, let's be aware of this, this, this and baby's inner architecture. If we're gonna, what do we need to know about raising these supernatural babies? know, like what do we really need to know for their cognitive development? And part of what I had said to her is she's an emotional authority.
And when you are feeding baby, if you're in any kind of upset, emotional state, baby woke you, you're tired at night, baby is eating all that. This child is also a nervous touch eater with touch cognition. So they're an atmosphere eater. They're picking up the stuff in the space. And so she had kind of came to me with the information after it like, you're not gonna believe what this kid can do. So when these aware parents are like looking at these kids, there is a way to deliver the information that is both empowering to the parent
while respecting their level of understanding of energetics and not making them feel like they're doing anything wrong, but getting them curious to understand the dynamics in the household with this new person who has changed the dynamic in the household, right? Like there's a new energy and this is a six month old baby. There's a new system within the dynamic that changes the whole dynamic in the house.
And I think it's so easy to underestimate what babies are picking up. yeah. mean, know, societally. they're talking. Yeah, like they're not talking, blah, blah. And it's easy to think that mom and dad can be arguing about something, and even arguing about something that is not really that important, but to understand that baby is hearing the tone. is eating the emotional frequency of whatever that is. And that was kind of part of it.
verbal race.
Vaness Henry (33:33.272) So even in the pregnancy then, the acoustics, everything that woman is experiencing is being digested by the baby in utero. And then baby comes out. And now that we understand children have different sensitivities, they just have different tones even. A touch and a feeling cognition baby are highly evolved senses. We don't fully understand those because they're still in development. But that's not to say the other senses aren't just as evolved. These are like,
taste cognition kids who get sick because they don't know how to use discernment yet to say no and reject things. And they develop nut allergies or they develop, you know, they get milk allergies or they develop resistance and intolerance to things. So when the parent understands the child's potential and what to watch for, it makes you a better parent. Like it makes you reflect on, cause your only responsibility is to raise this child with.
like what's good for them without putting your stuff on them. Which is not easy. So if you're just learning about your stuff, know, that manifest, your baby is initiating those parents, you know, like what's going on in the emotional space of the home. Obviously it might be stressful. There's a new baby and who knows what else is going on in the life that could be stressing you out, but entertain the idea that your child is being affected by that way more than you know. You can see it on their skin.
And that is essentially the story that I told was, you're probably not aware of everything that this baby is eating off of you and dad and the pets and the environment and whatever it is. And I even asked, like, this is a mountain's baby too, you know? so, you know, there are places on the second floor, they're up, the elevation is nice, the views are great. was like, okay, so that's like the three D part seems right. But through the conversation of
What's its environment? Yeah
Vaness Henry (35:22.134) environmental.
Vaness Henry (35:26.99) But what about the other dimensions?
what about the other dimensions? Then I start getting the rest of the context of what's happening for this family. And it all just makes sense. Okay, dad's job, unsure, uncertain if he's gonna continue to be employed past this point because something huge is happening at his company. Financial uncertainty.
Okay. And that's the holistic care.
Vaness Henry (35:46.648) So stressful.
This is a recently married couple who both owned homes before they got married. They want to buy a house together. They're living in a rental right now. Both of the homes are on the market and they're not selling.
Crazy. Okay, yeah, crazy marketplace for selling houses and stuff right now. Yeah, okay.
Think of like just the financial aspects here, right? And then mom is on mat leave because. Literally healing after a traumatic trial and error pregnancy where, I the amount of tests that had to be done before they figured out what the problem was with this symptom that mom was having during pregnancy and that symptom, you know, so, so to hear it, know, baby's got eczema and then, and then, you know, you ask the right question and you get amazing answers. And so.
healing because her body just split into two.
Karen Scholle (36:32.866) The rest of story starts to fill in and I'm like, wanna come in and do an environmental sweep. I wanna do some restorative work for you, mom.
I would love to hear about this. Oh my Because now this is a new thing that you've started doing. In the shamanic arts, there's a lot, we hear about this a lot, that people will go into homes, maybe there's a possession, maybe there just needs to be a welcome home, clearing, there's work that can be done in the home. I love to talk about this because houses have their own spirit. Yes. And so many of us just move into different houses as caretakers for a time, and we have to get to know that home spirit. And in Feng Shui,
Like human design, both these systems use the I Ching. There are nine energy centers in the body and there's nine energy sectors in the house. And so there is a way you can understand your home's energetic blueprint, much like you're understanding your own. And then you can kind of respect the spirit of the house, right? When was the house born? When was it built? Did it have any renovations? environment is my favorite area of study. And when I heard you were going in and doing these things in the home to do,
home clearings, essentially reiki in the house. I was like, I need to know everything. So please, how did this come up and what did you discover in your process?
It came up as a personal thing that I was like, uh-huh.
Vaness Henry (37:50.764) innocently invited into it, hey projector?
I was looking around my house. like, I need to rearrange the living room. Ooh, ooh, ooh. OK, and then I moved the furniture and I was like, let me the hierarchy. And I have to change out pictures every once in a while. like, I'm not feeling this band or this color motif or whatever. So rearranging my space is a thing that I do. then there's a moment where I'm like, I could reiki the space. Oh, that sounds fun. There's the internal kind of like, yeah.
So.
Karen Scholle (38:22.976) So I did it here and it felt so good. was like, well, let's do an experiment. Let me get some volunteers. I got in my stories and I was like, hey guys, I'm in experimental zone. So I'll offer this at a very low rate. Give me a little confirmation. Let me know if I'm onto something. You know, little trial.
Yeah. And people reached out. I had people reaching out to me, Kara's in this thing. And I was like, what? Let's hear about it.
Also, like the inner judge was like, you're stepping on Vaness's toes, don't do this, this is disrespectful. And I was like, what do you mean?
Wait, wait, wait. Why? Because... How does that step on my toes?
Because that's the voice of fear in my mind that is
Vaness Henry (39:01.838) Like how is that slipping on my toes? I'm a champion.
I play for you. She doesn't know. She just says things, you know?
Are people scared of me? Like I'm just gonna come and like yell at them? Like when have I ever done that, you know?
I mean, I wouldn't put that on you. I would put that on me being scared of losing friends. And you know, it's fourth line. It's like, it's very one-four. If I break a rule, am I going to lose this relationship? If I step on someone's toes, am I going to lose this relationship? Like, that's a sensitivity that I walk around with. And you know, it's mind to manage. I was like, that voice came in and I was like...
Yeah, of course. I relate to that, of course.
Vaness Henry (39:34.85) sad for us, like why are we all like, you know, like I like to live in this, in the, this is my delusional world. I champion everyone, everyone champions me and we're all just having a good time living our best life doing our, you know, I rarely feel like butt hurt about stuff, you know, like.
You don't strike me as butt hurt. That's part of why it's easy for me to be like, okay, okay, babe, shut up. Like calm down. That voice in my head that's like, she's gonna be butt hurt. I'm like, based on what evidence?
Because I think this is really cool, Karen. So tell us about it. So can you pick one and tell me what we would expect if someone's doing reiki to our home? Because it's just caring for your home's energy, I feel. It's very kind.
I mean...
Karen Scholle (40:18.158) There was one where I intentionally didn't Google this person's address, right? Like, I want to go in blind with as little bias as possible. So I get booked to do a home reiki session for someone. And I go, and I'm like, my god, the sky is so blue. Like, just, boop, I'm like, beamed into a little environment. And the first thing I see is this perfectly blue sky. I'm like, my god, that's gorgeous. OK, this feels good. And I look at the house in front of me, and it's like the.
the environment kind of materializes or like appears or unveils itself something. And so I'm like, okay. And so then I like go up the stairs. I mean, this, like this touch cognition baby, when I do that environment, I show up at their house and I'm like, it's dark here. And then I go up some stairs and I'm not quite sure which room I'm supposed to go to. I have a sense of kind of confusion and it's a little bit dark in there. can't see.
I don't know.
Karen Scholle (41:14.146) And as an outer vision person, I'm like, okay, that's interesting. There's not a lot. Right, right. Like, so, data, data, file that away. And as I'm moving through the rooms, just trying to orient myself to like the kind of layout, you know, it's like there's a sort of architectural, like what are the edges of the rooms? As I'm moving through the room.
But that's all information.
Vaness Henry (41:31.256) Do you ask for the blueprint of the home before you do this? No, you just go in blind.
mean, this practice is still in its infancy. So a lot of this is just kind of like, guess I'll do this now, see if that matters, whatever. As I'm moving through the space, I feel like I'm bumping into a ball that I can't see. Like, you know those giant fit balls that are like, totally, that manifestor kid was bumping me. In the most like loving and playful way, was like, literally, like he was just there. But I kept having this feeling of like,
yeah.
You can help it, right? It's just like, yeah.
Karen Scholle (42:05.294) I felt what I felt. There was a loud, loud noise happening too. And I was like, this is so noisy. It sounds like I'm in a machine room or an engine room or something, you know? And again, it's like, I don't know what the story is, but I'll tell mom.
So you will communicate it in this case. Feels right to communicate it.
Yeah, and I mean, there is a neutral way to communicate anything in my world. Right? So it was dark. It was really loud. It sounded kind of like this. It had a quality of this. And mom is like, did I ever tell you that we live in a converted mill? The house is literally over a huge moving body of water. And I was like, moving water. Yeah, it sounded like a dam. It sounded, OK, yeah, that's exactly what I was hearing. And from a Feng Shui perspective, living above moving water,
Yeah.
And she immediately was like, I know this is supposed to be temporary. We're not supposed to be here. Like we thought our house itself. my gosh. I was like, okay, so, again, we're getting much more information about what is baby eating? Is baby taking up energy from the town through this moving water that is moving through a whole community? I mean,
Vaness Henry (43:03.854) more stable.
Vaness Henry (43:17.112) Hello, like, hello, like, entertain the idea that that's how powerful we are and children are becoming. It's not just what's going on in the house. It might be the site you're on. It might be the town you're planted in and then you're confronted with like, well, like, you know, like, our lives are built and it's not that we are not always set up where we can just, yep.
move off of that, you know, I maybe have invested in this or whatever the stories are. So that's, that can be very confronting, I guess. But what you're kind of showing here is we don't all like, a huge part of what's missing when we're understanding what's going on with our health and wellness is this holistic component. We are connected to other people and other people affect us. So when we are unwell, it's actually not just about us. We do have to sort of zoom
out and look at the lifestyle, the environment, and those who are connected to us, especially Karen, some of these people who have these evolved tones, like feeling cognition or touch cognition in the determination variable or the environment variable, these people have these incredibly evolved sensorial systems where they are literally merging with other people.
and sharing the field with them. So it feels like it's happening to them. And in theory, it kind of is. I don't know you've ever read Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler, but the main character has hyper empathy. so whenever like somebody gets shot in front of her, gets shot, but she gets up, right? But she experiences the blows. She experiences the world like that. And I just felt when I was reading that, this is an example of the potential within.
these evolved tones in the body, you know? And so what do we not know? So if there are people with these evolved tones and something's going on with your health, part of the holistic care is zooming out to examine the entire lifestyle and everyone who's connected to it, but we don't always know what to even ask. Like your friend that you were doing this for didn't even know that that would have been a factor.
Vaness Henry (45:26.154) You know, like we're just waking up to how sensitive we are and the variety of things that impact that sensitivity.
Yeah. And I mean, it all just makes perfect sense. Like, the thing that's gonna grab mom's attention is the rash on baby.
Absolutely. Right?
So in a way, it's like, there's so much we don't know, and the right thing will get our attention at the right time. And the more I'm sort of surrendered to, like, I guess I'm just going to see what I see and report it and trust that the story will come together. the story always comes together. Like, this is no matter how off the wall and crazy whatever I see sounds to myself, when I tell the other person, they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There are no surprises. There are no mysteries. I'm not laying new ground. Like, I'm not traumatizing anyone.
Vaness Henry (46:17.422) Every mom wants to understand baby and fix that rash, right? But the issue is then we're gonna put creams on, but we're not even dealing with what caused the rash. So let us understand, may we examine. And we might wanna put on cream or whatever to help with the relief, but it's not gonna, this is something that's gonna continue to happen to this baby for their whole life. And it will be the baby sign that something's going on, perhaps in the emotional environment. So like for that mom, we're gonna be looking at rashes forever.
This is gonna be a thing. This is gonna be how this brilliant body communicates. Your baby's not doing anything wrong. No. Your baby's non-verbal. And this is how baby's communicating with you that it can't digest this experience. And then you gotta think about that.
And what a gift really to just have an understanding as a parent. okay, of course my baby is sensitive. This is how that sensitivity winks at me, gets my attention. know, whatever that is shows up. This is how we can look at things.
As a Shores person, to me it's like, Karen's using this as a bridge, like showing how Reiki can adapt us for new human energetics. But is there anything that, like, you've communicated this to this person, was there any types of adjustments she made, or what's the follow-up with Baby's Rash? Do we know yet? mean, was there follow-up?
The follow-up is always like, okay, how's it going? And I'll hear about changes that are happening, the rash got worse, the rash got better, this is what we're playing with, these are the, I mean, I'll variable, not in the chart sense, but these are the levers we're playing with to see if we can get some movement in the right direction or whatever that is. And frankly, I don't see that as any part of my work. I'm gonna go in and I'm absolutely gonna plug you into the field, I'm gonna feed as much loving.
Karen Scholle (48:05.92) energy into your system as possible. And I think what happens is like I'm activating aspects of whatever aura or home I'm working with, but I'm not there for follow through. Part of that is like what the recipient takes from it. And I also think there's something really interesting about like just the reorientation to, wow, somebody else picked this up in my body or in my environment. Let me pay attention to that. I think the confirmation like sometimes
perspective.
It is so easy to feel so alone in these things that we don't want to talk about because they don't feel safe to talk about. is the fact that we live above moving water really maybe affecting my baby? That might sound crazy that you might not want to talk to anybody about that. And to have somebody else come in and say, I got something that seems connected to this thing. That confirmation might be enough for a person to just simply orient to it as important and not.
Just let this seep into your awareness and entertain it for a moment and see how you look at the world and your experience differently now. Yes. Because that might be the only shift that needed to happen.
So much of my work now is about like, let's just be with what is and let's fully take in what is. Well, we try to change it.
Vaness Henry (49:18.382) A little plug moment here. You're like, yeah, you need somewhere to go talk to. This was part of why I had initiated my commons area in my kind of my private work was to gather people to be able to share their experiences in a high quality manner. And that's new for me, but it was because of this, like I've had the experiences where like something significant has happened and I need, I feel.
overcome to like share it, but I've had the times where I've been disappointed where I shared it in the wrong place or I wasn't received or they challenged me or, so there is an aspect of going to a space that's open and there is a like-mindedness where an encouragement to explore non-ordinary reality, you know? But in preparation for our chat today, I was kind of, I've been watching you with a slightly different eye because there were certain things I wanted to ask about.
And I need to know why this is happening. You go into places and you do people's work. do, you either giving individuals reiki or you're doing this cool practice of reiki and the home spirit. And then you leave and these people are horny. What's going on with this sexual resurgence that's happening? Cause I've been clocking that. What's, what is going on? What's, what's that?
I feel... Okay, I very recently learned from...
First of all, can you say what that is, what I'm talking about, and then tell me why that's happening?
Karen Scholle (50:39.672) So, okay, I had a client reach out a couple weeks ago. This is a woman in her late 70s. I did Reiki for her many months ago and then never heard back from her. And I thought like, what a shame. didn't do anything. Like I just assumed because she didn't rebook me, it didn't work.
That is what, no, why? You heard people come back a year later and like, said this to me and I just wanted to let you know, here's how my whole world changed and now I live in France. whole life. Now what, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, my God, thank you for, cause I never heard from you. anyway.
You know, like the stories, the stories.
Karen Scholle (51:11.054) It's so weird, like, I mean, you're an impact machine, right? So you, you literally boink, like people take a trajectory away from you after the impact.
It's scary because sometimes they really hate you, you know, and they really, or they want to villainize you because you've activated them. Like I activate people all the time and I don't know and that's really what terrifies me and that's what keeps me isolated sometimes because I don't know what I don't know and I never want to hurt anyone and sometimes I've activated someone in a way that wasn't my intention and then I feel ashamed about it. Even though I intellectually know that's not my responsibility, that's not my fault, that's really about them, it doesn't feel good to experience that because people can be
violent toward the manifesto.
Yes. And you know, that pokey projector eye, like I've had plenty of experiences where I'm like-
Yeah. Thank you for not making it about me. You're right. Yeah.
Karen Scholle (51:58.454) You need to go over there. And people are like, see you never.
projector aura can feel pokey. It can feel like, like sometimes the way a really big way I notice it is there are times I've been around the projector aura and they want to be recognized for something. And I know I should just recognize them. And I can feel that they want that and they want the invitation. And it's because of that, that I don't want to give it. Like it's like, I know better and I know I should just welcome you and I know I shouldn't invite you, but you're, I'm just so not attracted to it.
And so that like, I have been in this situation where I'm like, okay, just give the invite anyway. And it didn't feel good. So I have to listen to my own body when I'm feeling that. Because then you've been around the projectors who are like these, like you're just like, I want you. Because they're so ready for you. Like they're so in there. They're sitting at the seat of their throne. They're in their passenger consciousness and they're like, come to me peasants. And we're like, okay. You know, like it's very powerful.
I will sit at your feet. Like, I love clean projector energy.
clean projector. I'm need. Motivation.
Karen Scholle (53:06.882) You are neat. Okay, so I heard it earlier about something was missing, then just now I'm like, does neediness bump something there too? Because like, I...
Like when the other is seeming needy, you know, I'm not sure, but that's some fun language and I will sit and self inquire on that and notice if that comes up.
I've had a thought about when people come to me driven by desire, sometimes it feels very, very yucky and I'm an innocence motivation. And so I was like, I wonder if that's part of what is happening without her authority. I mean, side, side, side quest.
Well, part of my learning, like Jazz, from Everything is Spiritual, she's fear motivation and I'm need. So we have the same view or both personal view, but we have the opposite. So we talk about this dynamic a lot. And I noticed she always wants to dig in with that concept of like, let us understand, you we don't want to be afraid. So let's understand how this works. And I do come in and like, but what's necessary here? Like, do we need to know all that? And we love.
that, like, I really appreciate she's a genius, a brilliant mind, and she brings out my inner gesture, because I'm not going to compete with whatever that brilliance is over there. she's just got that researcher mind. I noticed that when she kind of goes off in her brilliance, I'm able to go boop, boop, boop, boop with the pieces that I need to almost like, I don't need to go in and have all that foundational depth to abolish the fear.
Vaness Henry (54:36.15) So I understand for me, it's like, I'm motivated, but well, why isn't this here yet? Like, why my people need that? Why aren't we doing that? That's a whole. I want to see that come to form.
the desire motivation people that I enjoy the most will come in so hot with their agenda. And then it's clarifying for me where I'm like, I don't have an agenda. Is it going to be fun? And it's this really clean kind of reset where I'm like, I really understand where I'm supposed to be in the contrast of you're exactly where you're supposed to be. And I know where I am in relation to that, that feels really fun and exciting.
Okay, so what happened with the sexy, horny seven-year-old?
Tell me. So, so you don't hear from her for like six months out of the blue. I get this message. Karen, I have to share something with you. And I was too embarrassed to tell you before, but after our Reiki session, after 20 years of being sexually dead, I had to pleasure myself.
You don't hear from her.
Vaness Henry (55:39.79) love it. I love it. First of all, I'm struck by she hasn't been sexually active since she was about 50. Betsy is very young to me. So that's like, whoop, initial devastation. then thinking about an innocent projector moving through her energy field and then she's left with extreme arousal to me. And she's too embarrassed to tell you about that. I totally understand. To me...
What was going on with you, the practitioner, and what signature did you leave behind after your work? That maybe is a little bit... So are you feeling a sexual resurgence, if I'm allowed to ask that?
Well, I mean, I've been... She's, uh... Uh, uh, uh, uh. I'm having the best sex of my life right now. I have had my own sexual... That's cool. awakening, flowering, upleveling.
Okay.
Vaness Henry (56:34.83) And that's like almost reflected. I'm curious, does she have any totally open centers? This person? I'm just wondering, there anything she's reflect could have been... For me looking at it, I would be like, Karen cleared something there, sure. But I wonder if it's possible that part of Karen's essence could have been fused there, especially now that you've said, well, I've been having the best sex of my life, right? Like what parts of our energy are communicating with others that we aren't aware of?
Like what parts of us are sexy and alluring? What parts of us are activating? What stays with others when we leave?
I mean, I will say it like this woman who gave me that feedback is a defined sacral and a defined emotional. So I was really surprised that I was going to have an effect on that system in any kind of sexual way. Like that doesn't make any sense.
very sexy system that's been shut down for 20 years. I've never met an emotional authority person who wasn't alluring. Like they're just sexy in a certain way. Like they might be repelling, they might be whatever their aura is, but there's an atmosphere around emotional beings that's alluring.
Yes, it just is. This is also a fifth line person.
Vaness Henry (57:47.726) I got another cool dynamic. Dude, what's the environment?
Another cool tiny? Okay, so we don't have birth time. So it's really unclear. It's really unclear. Okay. There are a lot of questions.
then we can't know.
Vaness Henry (57:56.834) would watch for a bit and I'd probably find out because I love that, but yeah.
I mean, I am glued to this person's chart now and I'm like really trying to maintain contact with her because I want to know everything. But she has a totally open spleen and I'm a splenic projector. So perhaps something needed to get cleaned up, something got let go, released. She also has an undefined Ajna. So was there a mental story about sex that was blocking? I don't know.
Okay, well that's fascinating.
Vaness Henry (58:23.374) Well, I guess why I'm bringing this up is because, like, from a journalism perspective, she's not the only case that I've seen. like, while, like, the reason I'm wondering what was going on with you is because it is not just the 70-year-old. I've been kind of watching you communicate online. There has been multiple clients who have then come to you with sort of a sexual resurgence,
I mean, literally the day, I think within probably five minutes, you know, I'm splenic. I'm like, my God, my God, my God. I just heard this thing, you guys. So I have to go tell all my friends, fourth line, like, you guys, this happened. Is this a thing? And I start getting these responses back on Instagram and my stories. People are like, hee hee hee. I had amazing sex right after you did this, right? like, or I've had three sessions with you and three times. Yeah, if I think about it, boom, boom, boom. It happened every time. I'm like.
Karen, what do you think's going on there? What are you unblocking in them? Like this is more of a collective conversation, right? Now this is like, we're going now from the personal to collective, because now there's a pattern of sexual resurgence after these sort of energetic clearings. And sexuality is really just creative energy, right? Like it's just like a...
Yeah. I mean, how do I even talk about sex? I was not prepared for this. I think it is the most, I don't even know what words to pick. Like I think that sexuality is one of the ways that we can completely up level spiritually, emotionally. I think that this is the essence of creativity and receptivity. I mean, I'm at Sinks Cross, so there's always this one, two contemplation happening. Like what is yang? What is yin?
What is the relationship they
Vaness Henry (59:58.862) Young? Is that how I say it? Because I say yang. Is it yang?
I mean, the Chinese people I know had said young.
Yang, yang and yang? Yang. Cause I, I've been trying to like, I used to say chakras and I learned that the correct pronunciation is chakra. I was like, okay. Yeah. So I've been trying to say chakra. I often- I trip on it a bit.
mean, people who read a lot often don't know how to pronounce things because they're not hearing it, they're seeing it, you know? And I make those mistakes all the time. But yeah, my Chinese friend told me, don't say yang. That sounds so American, like, young.
Can I confess? Can I confess? I'm performing in a white female form. That's a little bit, you know, there's privileges with that, that's also a little bit embarrassing and uncomfortable some things sometimes. So if I'm out here saying young, is that sort of, does that seem a way? Is that disrespectful in any way?
Karen Scholle (01:00:48.434) I mean, I think I understand. Like, I really don't like it when white dudes are talking like this and then they start talking about tacos and burritos. Like, the...
That's what I'm gonna be to. I don't wanna be disrespectful. I wanna use correct language, but also I don't wanna be disrespectful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. With Young, I don't know. I mean, I have a little bit more privilege here because I'm half Asian, so I get to kind of own some parts of Asian-ness and maybe feel more comfortable there than you do.
You don't get to own them like you are that. Like that's part of you. Yeah.
I a sense of ownership about my culture and my heritage.
Vaness Henry (01:01:27.374) Yeah, sorry, I don't mean, I didn't mean that. That's you, girl, like duh, like it's not me.
I'm owning that this is me, not like...
property, but that I have some kind of relationship with it, you know, and perhaps you don't.
I don't. My kid said to me yesterday, he's like, you're always quoting Chinese philosophy. I was like, that's a weird thing for you to pick up on, you 10 year old. Oh, I was like, well, they are the best at reading the energy that flows across the planet. And so I go do the best source. That's what I said to him.
completely sign off on that. That whole story is... Love it.
Vaness Henry (01:02:02.114) Yeah, yeah. So, okay, where can people find you? Where, if they want to work with you, if they want to learn more about this, how do people find you?
Well, you can come find me on Instagram, Karen Scholey, HD. karenscholey.com is my website. I'm going to have a new one soon. Yes. Yeah, I'm doing 9th Centered Reiki remotely. I'm doing 9th Centered Reiki for the home. I have like kind of a monthly workshop thing that's happening right now where we're talking about somatic deconditioning. And that's a part of my work too, is really connecting the dots between all of this stuff, all this head stuff.
Fun. It's easy to book with her.
Karen Scholle (01:02:39.81) and then what is happening in the body and how we start clocking those patterns and actually like really intentionally deconditioning through somatic awareness.
Yeah. And what are you excited about now that we're going, we're now in fall, going to the next new season, new part of the year? We're looking forward to your work right now.
Fall always feels sexy. It cools off a little bit.
Yes, and that's around you apparently. This hair, these clients.
I mean, I had a sense, I had an idea that perimenopause was going to be a sexual death. And I've been really thrilled that's not the case for me. Really thrilled that that has not been the case for me. I was really scared of losing that identity. it's like, it has been really fun. To not, yeah. Yeah.
Vaness Henry (01:03:22.926) That's very empowering. I mean, I'd love to you go off about that all the time. I love when you go off about that on your stories, on Instagram, like you are just living her best life.
Can I share a funny anecdote about that? Always. So when I was in kindergarten, one force splenic projector, oldest child, dad is a physician. Where do babies come from? My parents are like, well, she's five. Let's answer her. Yeah, we've got a gray's anatomy. Here are some pictures. This is how it works. They explain the whole mechanics to me. like, I have to go tell my friends. I literally go to school the next day. I'm like, do you guys know about this?
So my parents get a call from the principal about me being the unofficial self-declared sex educator in kindergarten. And all these kids went home and told their parents and their parents were really pissed. And I was chatting with a friend the other day about how much I still like to talk about sex. And it just connected for me that like, this has been a thing since I was five years old. I'm fascinated by this topic. I'm completely.
This is such a part where so much healing is. Look, you even said there's so much unlocked potential here with our creativity and your projector. And also, there's huge conversations right now in America, which again, I'm an outsider looking about certain texts being removed and education that's not allowed and what we can and can't share to kids. And that happens in Canada as well. it's, what I'm saying is that sounds like it's always been there. We're always kind of like policing what.
are allowed to share, that's like part of what they are learning with each other. you know, I think it's cool that your parents are like, here's where babies come from. Of course, of course you'd be like, you guys, here's where babies come from.
Karen Scholle (01:04:57.665) My- my-
Karen Scholle (01:05:01.87) was like, do you guys know about this yet? I mean, that is so exactly how I operate right now. like, I gotta tell my friends. I just learned a thing. my God, this is so cool. But I mean, yeah, I think being receptive to sex as anything, receptive to pleasure, connection, love, physical touch, like there's so much medicine available to us there. And the more we can be receptive to it, I think there's like incredibly transformative experiences that can be had.
sexually. And I think it's really important. And I think it's such a shame that a lot of women my age are not having the kind of sex that I'm having. And I wish it was different. I think the world would be so much better if everyone was having mind blowing sex. Like, don't you want to live in a world where everyone's having exactly the kind of sex they want to be having? mean, I do. I can only do so much. But like, this is part of the influence I want to spread.
Vaness Henry — I do. I'll come to that world.
Karen Scholle — Right? Like, yeah, get it.
