No. 34 — God Mode Activated ft Jasmine Nnenna

Sometimes, you just need a friend to hold your heart when shit has been challenging.

Before I could close out my final episode and start my rest season, I needed a friend to help me process everything that happened this season, like losing my dog, the death rituals that followed, and the creative sparks that came after grief.

I asked my friend Jasmine Nnenna of Erah Society to come back onto the show. Jas has been deep in her experiment with her Environment Variable as a Shores Feeling person. She's been unplugged from the online world to heal her body.

When there is a fifth tone in the Environment Variable (Feeling), these people are particularly sensitive to technology and must set limits with their relationship to it. 

Sometimes, they need a hard reset.

Jas and I discuss the concept of entropy, and how recognizing our divine nature can reduce chaos in our lives and the world. And when chaos and confusion is reduced in the body, so is illness, dis-ease and any ailments we're dealing with.

In between making our summer plans, we chat about how we're each using AI, why we think Martha Stewart is a PERFECT Six-Line Manifestor example, and how embracing your God identity is not actually about Ego — but acknowledging your connection to the larger consciousness system. 

Come process the season with me and Jas.

In this InSight, we discuss:

• Martha Stewart represents a perfect six-line example, starting her business at 50 and weathering public scrutiny

• Do YOU know why Martha went to jail?

• Divinity and practical business pursuits are two sides of the same coin - both can be expressions of God consciousness

• Using AI requires setting "borders of constraints" - the quality of your AI output depends on the quality of what YOU input

• All spiritual traditions point to the same truth: you are divine and everything you want already exists, so how can we play with this in modern times?

• We affirm our humanity constantly but we rarely affirm our divinity with the same conviction

• High entropy (chaos) in the body leads to disease; high entropy on the planet leads to ecological breakdown

• Lowering entropy requires us to act from a place of divine identity, not a victim mindset
  

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Vaness Henry: 0:00

So we have high, high entropy on our planet, right?

Jasmine Nnenna: 0:02

We have high entropy and people are trying to lower entropy from a very, from a victim identity state. It's not possible. But then when you tell them that they're God, it's like oh my gosh, I could never claim that.

Vaness Henry: 0:12

It's like or there's that. Who do you think you are claiming your God? You're missing the point. You're making it about an egotistical thing that we're not actually talking about?

Jasmine Nnenna: 0:20

Yeah, like you've missed it again. And now your response of who do you think you are is now increasing entropy, exactly.

Vaness Henry: 0:27

So so entropy, just for some clarity though. Entropy, because when I first heard that, that was not a familiar word to me, even though it sounds familiar, and I had to learn. Okay, this represents disorder, chaos in within something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 0:38

Yeah, it's a measurement of chaos

Vaness Henry: 0:40

yeah, and that really fits with a lot of laws, like a lot of laws that I will follow in practice, because if you think of a high volume of entropy in the body that's going to create chaos, disorder, confusion, confused cells. This is going to lead to mutation of cells into cancer, into diseases. So when there's chaos and high entropy in the body, the body gets sick. Chaos. High entropy on the planet, the body gets sick. Chaos. High entropy on the planet, the planet gets sick.

Vaness Henry: 1:09

It's Vaness Henry. You're listening to insights, my private podcast exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight. It is the final insight of the season. Before I take my summer season off, I've asked my dear friend Jasmine Nnenna to come back onto the show. Jasmine has been here for insight 15 digesting the system, digesting the season and insight number seven aquarium entrepreneurship, which is the most popular episode of Insights ever. Just want to let everybody know that and my friend Jas was doing an experiment where she was really like she has feeling in her shores environment and she was really mindful about being unplugged from tech, from podcast interviews. I had to be like what do I have to do to get you to come do a final insight with me? Because I just want to talk to my friend to close out the season, because I've had a hell of a season and she's like

Jasmine Nnenna: 2:10

even though we talk every day

Vaness Henry: 2:12

she's like girl, I'll come.

Vaness Henry: 2:14

Obviously I'll come, don't worry. Like if you need me I'll be there, like so soft.

Vaness Henry: 2:17

And I was like, yes, I always used your voice and I was like, no, tell me your demands and what you need us to do. So these were her demands. These were her demands. My podcast needs to be more seen. This is very valid, but I didn't get glam today because I'm on my cycle and you woke me up super early for this call. So Jasmine looks exceptionally beautiful and I look how you would expect me to look at this faze.

Jasmine Nnenna: 2:45

You look beautiful.

Vaness Henry: 2:47

Jasmine, shut up, I know I don't, you don't, I know I can put it together

Jasmine Nnenna: 2:51

why would I lie? Why would I lie? it would be much harder for me to lie. It's easy to tell the truth

Vaness Henry: 2:57

walking here with sitting in the sun, with her luminescent skin, her perfect little shirt. That's all like what it's got these, what? What I want to say? How do I describe this?

Jasmine Nnenna: 3:06

how do we? It's like, it's like hand sewn, I, I don't know. I hmm, hmm, how do we describe?

Vaness Henry: 3:15

you know, when there's like holes in the clothing, but it's embroidered, the holes as all right embroidered. Yeah, that's a, that's a perfect word basically, jasmina is giving fashion today Okay, fashion. And she said I got to be more seen on this show, you got to like put yourself out there. It was giving when I was him.

Jasmine Nnenna: 3:31

I really, oh my God, this story Every 15 seconds, this story must be told. Go ahead, go ahead.

Vaness Henry: 3:39

Tell it as I was saying, as I was saying, every now and again, my dear friend will give me some feedback. That's like pull up your pants, shave your legs and like fucking let's go, you know. So we're a little rising and you know what? I have mad respect for that. Yeah, yeah, mad respect. You know what Someone's got to tell you. If you can't tell me, yeah, I like that you tell me. That's not what this is, and I tell this story again and again because you're one of the few people who can speak to me that way. You need friends that tell you. You need your friends to tell you when you look like garbage and when you are behaving like garbage, when you're giving garbage energy. If your friends can't tell you you're trash, what do you? This is not where I thought this conversation was going to go today. So, as I say, my friend said I got to be more out there, got to be more visible. So I am taking out my team. By the way, like you're absolutely right. How do I communicate more about this? Your feedback is always valid, sound. I always. I always honor it. Thank you for that.

Vaness Henry: 4:37

She also said I'm only open to being in spaces where there's mutative, interesting conversations, where it's not super black and white where we can have multiple perspectives. I obviously loved that. You're a good company. And then she said we got to be doing a celebrity reading on somebody because, vanessa, you need to be doing this on your YouTube and you're not, and you annoy me. So that's what she said to me, word for word, verbatim. And she was like I want to look. That's what she said to me word for word, verbatim. And she was like I want to look. You have the word annoying, did I? She said none of the things I said. I paraphrased the whole thing in my tone. She would never speak so like that way. That was me anyways. We.

Vaness Henry: 5:16

We got back on master class because, remember, like five years ago, we were all about the master class together. I know what happened it got boring because we took everything we want after. I watched after I watched, like anna went to her like after I watched she wanted to watch. That's true, um, but I went back and watched martha stewart. I had just done the martha stewart documentary. Have you watched her documentary? The one on master class no, no, no, the one on netflix oh no, I didn't even know there was one on that, oh girl, it's so fucking good jazz, you'll love it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 5:45

Okay, that's, that'll be my next one I had no idea.

Vaness Henry: 5:47

She like worked in stocks and shit like boys club boys world and she dominated. You're like, of course you dominated. So just actually watching her through the four, six manifester lens when, why do you think she went to jail?

Jasmine Nnenna: 6:01

are you asking me like what was the facts behind it?

Vaness Henry: 6:03

well, what do you think?

Jasmine Nnenna: 6:04

because there's a perception and there's also what happened yeah, on the master class she was just saying how she basically did some shady shit with the stocks and she didn't.

Vaness Henry: 6:16

She didn't do shady shit with the stocks. They're like you think she had, like tax evasion or no insider trading, like someone reached out to her insider trading but that didn't happen and they just try to make an example of her.

Vaness Henry: 6:29

It's so weird like you, you've got to watch it from that four, six perspective because, because she's famous, like they just start to she's done nothing wrong, they create a trial when there should be no trial and then she loses the trial. But there should have never been a trial. They were just trying to, like, make an example of her and she ended up going to jail for a period of months and you're looking at it after and then when you talk to the general public, they're like, oh yeah, cause she did tax fraud or something, and it's like no, she didn't.

Vaness Henry: 6:55

That was like what the case was. And then they were like she lied to us. We, we don't like that, so we're going to make a new case or something like that. And she was like I didn't lie and I should have never been interviewed in the first place. That case fell through. Why are you making a case out of it? You know it was wild and she goes to jail and I'm like that's like the roof experience coming off the roof, that's the like. And her business only started at 50 at 50.

Jasmine Nnenna: 7:20

I know that that is such a pure six line example. I know that that is such a pure six line example.

Vaness Henry: 7:26

I love that and she's kind of in the documentary. She's very much. She's kind of curt sometimes.

Jasmine Nnenna: 7:32

Yeah.

Vaness Henry: 7:32

And I'm like it's because she's tired of responding, Like you can kind of see it happening she kind of gets curt and she kind of is an asshole sometimes and I never think she's an asshole, though I don't either. I don't either, but I feel think she's an asshole, though I don't either.

Jasmine Nnenna: 7:45

I don't either, but she's just very clear. She just wants her her message to come across clear. She doesn't want any confusion. She doesn't want you to ask her any questions. She gives you all the details, like I appreciate there's this moment.

Vaness Henry: 7:55

There's this moment in the documentary where someone on her staff is like trying to cut an orange and they can't. And she's like I don't know how many times I got to tell you you got to use a big knife to cut an orange. If you can't figure that out, you don't need to be here. And it's like, it's like, it's like on the nose, but I'm like I bet you she said that multiple times. And now she's like if you can't fucking figure out this knife, you don't. Commenting on the on the story are like if she was a man, you wouldn't even mention it.

Vaness Henry: 8:31

She would be unstoppable. She'd have so much respect.

Jasmine Nnenna: 8:33

But she's got this dichotomy that you're this blonde homemaker, so you've got to be this certain way, you know, and it's just I I love, I love the tension between her whole empire built on homemaking and she's just I mean her whole masterclass how to be a boss, how to be an icon and they didn't want to support her because they're like well, if you die, the whole brand is gone.

Vaness Henry: 8:54

You know like we can't make the whole brand you like it can't be about one person. She's like it is. This is me, I'm the character, the brand evolves around me. So she had a hard time in the beginning because they're like that's too risky of an investment. You can't be at the center of this um solar system.

Jasmine Nnenna: 9:08

You know she's like, but I am which is so wild, because she's martha stewart I mean, which is so wild now that, 2025, everything is a personal brand, like if you don't have a personal brand, you don't have anything?

Vaness Henry: 9:18

and she was like she's. I know we say like kim k is the original influencer and she's like. I kind of am like I was the one showing you like, yeah, baking your pie can be fun, doesn't need to be, doesn't need to be a way, we love Martha.

Jasmine Nnenna: 9:31

Even my kids love Martha.

Vaness Henry: 9:33

I like her too, and I have to tell you, the older she gets, the more I vibe like.

Jasmine Nnenna: 9:40

I just think she's just such a great six line example I just can't get over. She started her business at 50.

Vaness Henry: 9:46

50, it just yeah, it just all I mean she's 82, okay, but this is what I mean, like when she started getting older and she she's like I've already been to jail, so, like my, my reputation quote-unquote is fucking tanked. So then she went and did the Justin Bieber roast. I don't know if you remember that she was fucking funny. I remember like that's weird seeing her there. And then she stole the show because she shouldn't have been there. And then and cause you think she's Martha Stewart, and then she's like talking about how she was just talking about jail. So that's where she connected with Snoop. Yeah, and I love that pairing, I love them together, cause it doesn't make sense and they're tight, they like they don't they have like?

Vaness Henry: 10:30

an Emmy or something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 10:30

I don't know, but they have a lot. They have a lot of like business collaborations together, cause even in the masterclass she was just saying you know, we both like making money, we both love to laugh, we both like, we just love, having good life.

Vaness Henry: 10:39

I've watched him do interviews on her and he's like she's unstoppable, she's a force, she's incredible at business, we both like nice things, like we have a very good time together, and it just makes you think like she's a four six. She needs that like other. In that way she's doubly transpersonal and also, like she, she married this one guy and it failed and that's like her biggest shame. Yeah, she like never fully like she had like other relationships but she was like oh, that six-line pressure of like the soulmate, the you know. Anyway, martha, I'm definitely wanting to. I wanted to start my YouTube channel over the summer season, posting once a week or something I want to give myself a little challenge.

Vaness Henry: 11:23

one of the things I want to do is read people, but I'm wanting to read people who have some kind of illness, where I can look at it from that energetic lens, and so you did.

Jasmine Nnenna: 11:33

You told me about the Joe Biden thing. That was good.

Vaness Henry: 11:36

Well, okay, but I'm not interested in Joe Biden as a character, so I no, not as a character, but like his illness.

Vaness Henry: 11:41

Oh right, right, when I saw that I was like he's an undefined root, he's an and he does, he's got something going on down there. But I was more so like who do I like? Like I don't want to just pick a celebrity or I don't want to just pick an illness, and so, for example, june is pride month and I was like, okay, well, that can talk about Trixie Mattel, one of my fave drag Queens, who's valleys drag queens whose valleys and we have watched have major health issues and is a perfect example of what can happen to valley. So I was like maybe I'll start with that yeah, we're focused um, and then just go through characters that I like, but I don't necessarily. Anyways, the reason I bring this up is because I've started to segue more into like that health kind of area over this past season and I've started opening up.

Vaness Henry: 12:24

Working with people one-to-one um. Opening up private consultations is something I usually do in the warm months. I changed it up a little bit each year. I like to work with people in that way, but then I can get over um, absorbed, like I can get to compromise. So I usually do it for a season, then I back off as I like learn my limits and shit. And as I've been working with people, I'm surprised that people aren't necessarily coming to me. It's like they don't have cancer, they don't have lupus, you know. They have like a collection of symptoms like headaches, acne, weight gain or high cholesterol, like they have random things that hasn't really been diagnosed into something yet.

Vaness Henry: 13:03

So, the conversations then become more about these soft lifestyle adjustments, building awareness on all the things that you're consuming and eating. And I was surprised that when I opened this, people would like book my training, take my training and then they would book things with me. I'm like, just go learn, just like, but they just want to fucking talk to me. So it's not always about health, but there's a. They're wanting my perspective on something and so I'm kind of living into okay, well, I can be a space holder in that way. I just can't help seeing things from this particular lens. So I'm always going to be looking at you to align the body and get the body kind of healthy, and I'm listening for doesn't that speak to our six line perspective, though, like wanting our?

Vaness Henry: 13:44

or the six color perspective personal yeah, yes.

Jasmine Nnenna: 13:47

I think so yeah, big time people wanting our, our very specific do you feel this?

Vaness Henry: 13:52

does this happen to you like? They want your perspective on their situation?

Jasmine Nnenna: 13:57

I actually think that they do. I think that this is the first time in my life that I'm'm letting that happen, because I think before I felt like I had to give a very universalized, generalized I see you, I know you, holding space in that very inclusive way. And now I'm realizing like, no, my views are very exclusive, like they're very specific to me and not a lot of people yeah, actually I won't say me and not a lot of people. Yeah, actually I won't say that that not a lot of people, but I think it's just very exclusive. It's like if you see the world the way that I see the world great, then we're going to vibe. If you don't, then we're not going to vibe.

Jasmine Nnenna: 14:35

And I actually just was reading an article about, like, creating cult brands and how you have to have an air of exclusivity not to keep anyone out, but just to like compose yourself and to keep your truth aligned to your personal view. Like I'm not out here to fight anybody, I don't really care what you think. This is about what I'm doing, what I think from my lens.

Vaness Henry: 14:56

I have a little controversial statement. I know cults are bad, I know there's this culty fourth line Like I can. So please, I don't want to be insecure. Cults are bad. We don't like the manipulation hide. Mine call oh okay, okay, okay, period. I love the sound of like cult following, yeah, of like that's a cult classic, that's a cult favorite. We love the matrix, we love that, whatever the you know, and I'm very, I'm very drawn to that.

Vaness Henry: 15:24

I know it's like oh, I know people have very real traumas about that, but I mean more the playful part of that word.

Jasmine Nnenna: 15:30

That's been like people are choosing, they're being selective, they're saying I belong to this and I don't belong to this thing. Not necessarily in this. It's weird because you know, you and I are always moving beyond the binary and it's like you get it, you get it. If you don't, then I can't explain it to you. I don't give a fuck if you don't get it anymore, though.

Vaness Henry: 15:48

I've, I've, I've changed, I've, I've, I've. Got some good people around me right now who are very loving, encouraging, doing their own thing. They excite me when I watch them, you know, and there's just this overall energy of like, if you don't get it, cool, but like, get the fuck out of my way. You know like it's. You know I've already got. I'm also not hearing as much of that kind of stuff anymore, and I know we've had some like Saturn moving into Aries and all these shipping external planets and who knows what's going to come up with advocacy and burnout over these next two years.

Vaness Henry: 16:17

But I have just felt like people who don't get me kind of just stop watching and leave me alone. That's great and and I'm like thank you, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I want to have a little moment just to talk about I lost my dog this season.

Jasmine Nnenna: 16:35

Yes.

Vaness Henry: 16:36

She's right here sitting with me.

Jasmine Nnenna: 16:38

Beauty.

Vaness Henry: 16:39

I. I'm surprised at that I've been doing so Okay. I thought I would be in a much more challenging position.

Vaness Henry: 16:49

So I think, having mentally and emotionally prepared myself for the last five years, you know, even seeing your dog, or, like my dog, my dog hit 10 and I was like she's dying and she lived to 15 and she had kind of an extended, slow end of life care that kind of prepared us for her passing. And now, at the time of this conversation, it's been about a month and I I'm just now has it only been a month. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm just now starting to get my little like cries at night or like the little moments that like catch me, you know what I mean Like.

Vaness Henry: 17:21

I was watching.

Vaness Henry: 17:23

Forgive me if I just told you this, but I was watching YouTube the other day and one of my episodes came on from my channel and it was manifestors and it's me and my dog on the cover and I'm like not super nice to her in that episode Cause she was barking and being annoying and I'm like I felt so bad so I've been filming, doing some filling for on the roof again and I have to have an episode of, like her passing Cause we were like taking care of her at home and I have this like footage of her. By the way, I don't have my a film of my dog dying, but like when we were like having the final moments with her, I did feel like can you film us on the sunlight, can you? There was a lot more like memory making.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:01

Oh yeah, we're aware, yeah, memory making.

Vaness Henry: 18:02

Oh yeah, we're aware. Yeah, so, and then my kid I'm he's been so good, like he had a really hard time in the beginning and we've just constantly been talking about her and it and her presence. So it's not weird, it's not like, oh, all of a sudden we've been avoiding it. Now I'm upset, like there was like very much like I'm missing her today or I keep thinking I hear her in the house and so we created the environment where he can talk like that too.

Vaness Henry: 18:27

And he's doing, he's doing okay. So my, my sister, who has had lost her pet recently, was like, just you know, it was harder than I thought it was going to be. And I was like, okay, thank you, you know. And then my husband was like it was harder than I thought it was going to be.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:40

And I'm over here Like you know what?

Vaness Henry: 18:41

this was not as challenging as I thought it could be, or I thought it was going to be. I'm seeing like I had a very good relationship with my dog the whole time. A lot of people were like reaching out to me and like, oh, just take the final moments and be grateful. I was like you guys, I've already learned. I learned that lesson at 16, when my dog died. This is my. I have another dog where the entire relationship with her I was like I love you so much, I'm so grateful for you, you're, we love each other so much. Look how beautiful you are. Like it was never, it was never taking her for granted, because I think I took the first dog for granted. So I learned like.

Vaness Henry: 19:13

I took my moments with her, yeah, and I think actually with that pet I know you're not a pet person, jess, but with that pet I know you had a plant once or some shit, um, um, but yeah, like I think with her it was very much like she came in at my life at a time where I just needed something to unconditionally love me and she really provided that. And I feel like now I've, you know, like sometimes you have a pet, you have a cat, and the cat's like doesn't give a shit about you. I think that's kind of funny. And then the dog's like unconditional love you're you. Everyone in the world hates you, but not me. I love you, human, and I love that um.

Vaness Henry: 19:51

So I do think that she kind of gave that gift of unconditional love at a time when I needed it, which really did start my healing journey after this huge trauma. And now I'm an adult without her and I'm she's been with me my entire adult adulthood. Now I don't really know who I am. So I have been having this like this past month. My spirits are definitely more scattered than usual because I'm having to relearn what I do for my day to day, like what the rhythm is of the day, and I haven't fallen into a quite a rhythm, yet you know we don't.

Vaness Henry: 20:23

I don't walk her in the morning, I don't have the midday sun breaks with her, I don't do the medication. Like there was so many things in my day that were like uh, oriented around caring for her that there was like a lot of like almost time after that I didn't know what to do with and I didn't do anything. I just kind of spiraled. You know what do I do? So still relearning how to be, but I have wanted to tell you the specific death rituals that I did around that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 20:47

Oh fun.

Vaness Henry: 20:47

Yeah, cause that was kind of weird. Um, this was my first death that I had experienced it up close and in a quite a long time, jazz like there hasn't been a lot of loss around me after having a time where there was like a lot. So I think I was very attuned and paying attention, even though I was like in my grief hypnotism, like you know, like when grief comes, you're kind of floating through life because you kind of are in disbelief of what has just happened. And so what does your body naturally do when your consciousness is sort of detached like that? So I was kind of watching and I immediately she passed away.

Vaness Henry: 21:22

She had a really hard night and so she had passed away one morning and we got home and it was maybe like nine and I had to clean everything, like and my husband too, my husband Derek, we were both cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning and I was removing all her things and I was like, is this bad? Am I being mean that I'm like getting rid of her stuff? But the house smelled like death. She had taken over the whole house. There was like her blankets everywhere. It's like I needed to, like I felt like I needed to do a top down clean, and Derek did as well. So, like she has just passed away, I've come home and I'm cleaning everything, like I'm washing the floor, I'm doing I'm washing her blankets, everything.

Vaness Henry: 22:00

Then I very much felt like I had to turn on every single light in the house, so strange. Then I lit incense. The house is immaculate, there's incense going in every room, the lights are all on. And I said now we have to leave. And they're like okay, I'm like let's just go get some comfort food, anything you guys need, if you want a cake, if you want a bottle of water, whatever you want, we're're gonna each go get something. And we have to leave the house because I felt like her spirit had to find its way back to the house. Okay, because we move a lot, maybe she's like where the fuck do I go?

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:35

I mean raw talks about this with the whole uh three days situation would you like to echo that? No, continue your story she's like fuck that.

Vaness Henry: 22:45

Um. So when we were kind of doing that really important drive like we had left, we had a lot of intimate moments with animals on the highway. Very cool, we had a coyote on the side of the road, look at us. We had two horses stop us on the road, look at us. We had. I want to say this was the time where there were the five eagles on the lake or something like. There was just very, very powerful animal omens and I had said to my son look, they're just guiding her spirit back Like they're letting us know. So he was very charmed by that.

Vaness Henry: 23:14

My comfort food was fresh flowers. I felt like I needed to bring a bouquet in the house, like life, you know, and I don't know something with death, flowers or something there that that was needed. So I got fresh flowers comfort food and then started edging my educating my son about heart medicine, which was very interesting, and I was like, when you have something like this, you need to have hearty food. He's like well, what's hearty food? And I was like well, what are some of your comfort foods? What are you? And he kept saying things that had like tomatoes in it and I was like tomato is like like a strawberry. These are connected to the heart. This is a great example of heart medicine. Did you know your spaghetti has tomatoes in it in the marinara sauce? Did you know your favorite little pizza has tomatoes in it? You know, it was just kind of like a fun little moment.

Vaness Henry: 24:01

I kept the incense going for a week. Every day. Had to have incense going until she returned home in her urn and then felt done when she was home was like a big celebration. We were like you're back, oh my God, and we were all really, really pumped. And then I didn't feel I had to maintain that clean house, fresh flowers and incense, which I did. When the flowers died, I replaced them. When the home was messy, I cleaned it. It was like this little incubator period that took about a week. I think it was actually a little bit less, but it took about a week until, yeah, she came home from being cremated. That was our strange death ritual around it, body was just very hypnotic doing things.

Jasmine Nnenna: 24:41

That's very good, though, and I think there's some threads in there that are universal, like bringing life back into the home after experiencing death, comforting your heart, cleaning, turning the lights on, or some sort of light could even be candlelight could you know any, yeah, oh yeah any type of illumination away from, like the darkness or the shadow of death.

Vaness Henry: 25:04

Maybe not away, but just balancing it, you know there was something about this I wanted to bring up around um you, and I really like mayim bialik yeah, her, what's her?

Jasmine Nnenna: 25:14

youtube show breakdown the breakdown yeah, she's.

Vaness Henry: 25:17

She's blossom and and was on. What's her show? What's the sciencey show? Big bang theory that's who she's also a four, six manifester, like martha and she is different.

Jasmine Nnenna: 25:32

Different though she's kitchen like, different the way that they, that they show up, though yeah that's interesting.

Vaness Henry: 25:38

She's also um on the roof still, martha's not. And you notice mayim's coming out more. Hold on.

Jasmine Nnenna: 25:45

Isn't it kind of weird, like when you see a four, six on the roof, but they're like very much visible, like they're not away, like Mayim is very visible on her platform.

Vaness Henry: 25:56

Not very visible, though. The thing is what I think is going to happen there, like we think she's visible and I actually think she's going to come off the roof and have an explosion, like that's when she's going to be in like peak fame. I think, really, you don't think she's visible. I think we think she is. I think it could go to a whole new level. That's what I've been learning because martha was visible martha was visible that whole time. That's when she was building. Her business was on the roof but then there was now.

Vaness Henry: 26:20

She's more successful than ever, you know, and she's, she's like right. So that's what they mean about, like the delay. But the reason I'm bringing Mayim up is because she I believe she's Jewish and she's talked about she's talked about their death rituals that they have to do like praying, let's say three times a day or something for the whole first year.

Vaness Henry: 26:40

So there's like there are certain cultures that have very specific death rituals, certain things that they do, even with the body that has passed, or what things that they wear and things that they eat or won't eat. But I don't have anything formal like that that has been kind of passed on to me. Do you? Is there any death rituals that come from your family?

Jasmine Nnenna: 26:56

Yeah, there are, there are. It's very long it's. It's cooking certain foods, playing certain music it's. It's cooking certain foods, playing certain music, doing certain dances, prayers, like you participate in this recently, or and have examples. No, no, not recently, when I was younger. Okay, okay, but there's been like no deaths, right no, there hasn't been any deaths in my adult life, but when I was younger, my dad's uh dad died oh god okay and that, and I just remember being like eight or nine your grandpa something like that, and there was a lot of that kind of thing, and it's more of a celebration, not so like ritualistic to drive anything away.

Jasmine Nnenna: 27:38

It's more like, uh, we party, we dance, we, we pray, we my french side's very much like that too, yeah like they always have a shot of brandy or something, or moonshine, or they're fucking, you know yeah, it's not.

Vaness Henry: 27:51

It's not stereotypically ritualistic so then, because, have you thought about, like, what you want for your death rituals or your if, when you pass, like have pass. Like, have you thought about, does your family know? Like I'm the weirdos, like my family always talks about death, but there's so many people who, like, don't have these conversations and then it falls on their surviving family.

Jasmine Nnenna: 28:14

And I know, I know you can you might be like who cares?

Vaness Henry: 28:17

I'm dead, but I've been in situations and have worked with people, Like when I was in finance. It's so messy when people die and they haven't got their affairs in order and the fighting that families do is devastating. Like, especially if there's been money that's left, the siblings, their spouses can go like it can become just a small war especially if it's not like laid out clearly. Now I'm not leaving a shit ton of money in anybody. Do you know what I mean?

Jasmine Nnenna: 28:41

But not yet anyway but I do know like if I was to die young.

Vaness Henry: 28:48

I do know that I want to be cremated, I don't want to be buried in the earth. And I, when we were younger, my husband was like I don't know why he's my husband today, derek. He was like, oh, I think I want to be buried and I was just like that's so gross to me.

Vaness Henry: 29:01

Like the idea of like my body in there decomposing and bugs, and I'm like, eh, and then I'm, but then I'm like I don't care if people do that, but maybe that's not for me. I remember then I saw you could like turn into a tree or some shit and I was like that's fucking cool, Like what do I want to do? Now I could turn?

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:17

into a tree. That is cool.

Vaness Henry: 29:18

And I think my kid was like what if someone comes and chops the tree down a certain place? But could you imagine if we had these like graveyard forests?

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:29

yeah, that would be amazing.

Vaness Henry: 29:30

It's like all these trees of your ancestors, because we know the trees are our ancestors anyway. So why not just, like, make it super literal? No just me. Anyway. What do you want? What do you want if you died and I'm alive? Here I'm coming. So what do I expect? Do I got to do some fancy rituals or wear certain things? I will, will, I'll do anything.

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:49

White. I want everyone to wear white or cream. Love that, love that. Okay, I will enforce that.

Vaness Henry: 29:55

And Sorry you're in black. You must leave the building. Leave the building now.

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:59

No, we have spare smocks for you no black Creams or whites, only Very golden, very luscious. And I want to be in a really play your music. Sure, you can play my music. I want to be in a really nice like earn that's made out of either marble or ivory, something very like that. That kind of makes that clink, clink, clink, clink, clink sound. Let's see when you, when you tap it.

Vaness Henry: 30:29

Yeah, my dog's Pearl earn. Is that sick? Is that sick that I'm doing this on? You know it's not to me, it's not sick to me. I'm sorry for the listeners, sorry that I'm tapping my dog's Pearl earn, but I carry her around, she's with me. She's newly lost. I just we're sick family and we make weird jokes, and this is why your podcast is private, though. This is why my podcast is private.

Vaness Henry: 30:54

If you're wondering, yeah, I'm gonna be better at like sharing clips or something, getting my team to put it more out there for me, because my friend says I'm not talking to you unless you get your shit together. Anyway, anyway, there is a little environment experiment that I've done while I was resetting my home after all, this change I want to tell you about, because I've noticed a dramatic, intense change since I did it In feng shui practices. When you're arranging that front foyer, the front door, this is like the place where energy first flows into the house. It's a very sacred spot in the house. Mine's like not symmetrical, it's like the door is more one side, you know, and then there's like a little anyway, but I've been wanting to put these food dogs, which are these big, like dragon dogs that are to protect the door, but I only have one and you're supposed to get them in a pair. Okay, yes.

Vaness Henry: 31:45

And the one food dog. The masculine food dog has his little paw on like a ball and the feminine food dog has her little paw on a little pup and you can't actually tell which one is which.

Vaness Henry: 31:55

And I didn't look closely at mine and I have the feminine one, so I was like fuck it whatever whatever I'm putting it by the front door, the way forgive me, I've been so horned up since this fucking thing has been here, the way I have been like way more feminine, way more sexual, way more receptive and receiving. I'm telling you, this food dog, the feminine food dog, is an ultimate spell. All my inner world work, all my journeying, all the inner expeditions, has been insanely romantic, like an lots of learning around that inner romance, that blossoming, blooming feeling is peak manifestation to me when you're in that overflowing romantic. I love this. I love that adoring energy. It's like it feels like anything is possible, anything's available. So I was reworking my next season's expeditions to hone in on a super intense activation sequence. That's like falling in love, like deep romance. How am I going to stimulate that in the psyche? So Derek and I have been designing that and it is based on right now in the wellness club.

Vaness Henry: 33:04

Inner expeditions has a seasonal expedition called the night gardens and that's about cultivating your inner world, tending to these blooms, translating those messages, seeing what's. What bouquet do you have? What are you working with? I've been very, very intimately working with that this season, where now it's completely taken on this different storyline. There's so many roses. There I've shared with you with the Freemasonry background and angelology and studying with that. I've been working very intimately with angelic lore not something I usually do and it's been feeling so great. But one of the big things coming out of this deep inner romance angelology study has been this is embarrassing, but I have this crazy desire to be topless. My husband- Derek I don't know why.

Vaness Henry: 33:59

He's my husband today, whatever, he just can take his shirt off anywhere he wants to be and he just gets to have sun on his chest all the time and he never even thinks about it.

Vaness Henry: 34:07

There is absolutely nowhere in my life that I can go where the sun could touch my breasts or my nipples or heaven forbid this in under my heavy pendulum breasts that never fucking sees the light and I have this huge sunbathing craving to get sun on my chest. So my inner world, when I'm like in my, like my romantic coronation peak energy, I have this giant white crown, big red skirt and tits are out. Tits are out. I walk around this place like boobies everywhere, derek's like just like we have nude beaches here, like there's nothing stopping you. Yeah, you can do it. And I'm like, are you insane? So-and-so little friend, hawks' little friend, comes at the beach or some shit and sees me Hi, mrs Henry, your tits are out Like there's no fucking way I'm going to put myself even in that situation.

Vaness Henry: 34:58

So now I'm on my like sun deck testing jazz, like can anybody see me if I'm like here? And I was like this, so this season coming up I will tan my chest. So help me, I will find a way. Do you do this? Have you ever gone like nude sunbathing? Yeah, I'm so jealous. You just got to do it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 35:21

I just can't rip the bandaid off, no I can't do it.

Vaness Henry: 35:26

What if somebody sees me and people are like who cares?

Jasmine Nnenna: 35:29

I know, but not what if somebody sees me and people are like I know, but they're going to look for like two seconds and be so embarrassed that you don't care and they'll look away or I'll be so disgusting I'll be like you're welcome, drink it in, check it out.

Vaness Henry: 35:43

You ever seen this? Like I don't want to. It's not flattering, but like I, I I want to. I don't want anyone to see me, you know, I just want to be in the sun with no one around my boobies out, and I can't I know you're such a second line.

Vaness Henry: 35:57

I don't care I also feel like you know they get out of control. Like if I lay up, I have a heavy chest, okay. If I lay on my back, they're not even fucking, they're on the side anyway. They're not, they're hiding, they're not even visible. It's like what do you put your arms down? No one's gonna see you anyway. Chest out, but the thought, the thought of like my neighbor, like being like, oh my god, you know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 36:20

But then oh, I'm positive. People see me all the time.

Vaness Henry: 36:22

I have like wraparound windows I was raised by like yeah, that one three emotional generator mom, who she was like, I don't give a fuck, I'll tan in my backyard, however I want you know, and like I shouldn't be this way.

Vaness Henry: 36:36

Yeah, she's like you want to look at me, you're welcome, like she was very, you know, Scorpio, and I'm just like I wish it could be that way, but I she also had daughters and I have a son and I do feel like, like you know, we had a house growing up, like if my mom's walking around her bra, it's not a big deal, but I'm not really walking around my house in my bra or my underwear, like you know what I mean, like I'm not really, I'm not. I'm like get out of my suite.

Vaness Henry: 36:59

Like you know, I have my suite to the side of the house and I'm I'm dressing, I'm doing.

Jasmine Nnenna: 37:12

I think, though, I'm always covered. Is this a hermit thing? I don't know, and Alex is like that too. So when we met each other, like one of the, first you were like you gotta get naked boy no, I mean, he was like that too, like one of the first things we do when we get home from anywhere. We take off our pants, like the first thing, like we don't walk around the house with pants. It's just so uncomfortable. I'm in my, I'm in my house, I'm in my house.

Jasmine Nnenna: 37:30

Why do I need to have pants on?

Vaness Henry: 37:32

Yeah, yeah, no, that's. That's very real In the quiet part of our life here which is talking to you every day when nobody else knows. We talk a lot about AI and I'm wondering if we can go off on this for a bit, because you've been helping me. First of all, you're at a different level here. I really notice your three, five energy when we ever it's about ai and I know you're like I'm I'm disconnected and quiet and I'm like can you just hurry up and get the fuck back here to educate us about this stupid shit we can't figure out?

Jasmine Nnenna: 38:05

there's a lot of people educating on ai. Actually, I don't care. I don't care, I'm surprised and happy.

Vaness Henry: 38:09

I don't care, I like you. I only want to listen to you.

Vaness Henry: 38:14

Also, sorry, ignore me, don't take on any of that I just really like your brain, you know, and I just like the way I learn with you, so you definitely have a just a mastery here, and because of the way that you look at things and the way that you approach it, that's why I'm wanting to talk about it, and what you've been helping me with right now is uploading my body of work and, let's say, training my AI, and just before we got on this call, I was sharing with you.

Vaness Henry: 38:40

I'm really feeling like it's training an artificial intelligence and training a human is a very different experience. A human is a very different experience, and I start to get very passionate when I see AI really confusing, let's say, human design terms Like, it's really not good at human design, specifically variable. So I find I'm wanting to train it and correct it, which is very strange, and so I've been starting to program it the way that you've been teaching me on how to like. I got my transcripts, like you said, from some of my material and I uploaded it. Here's my philosophy you created me this really helpful outline that took me some time to work through.

Jasmine Nnenna: 39:29

I'm just starting to figure out like, like it's still not perfect, like it still needs me to kind of go in Absolutely.

Vaness Henry: 39:32

But it's like, it feels like, it's like the next level of like designing a Sims character or something like it's like it's very, very rewarding to me. Can you talk a little bit about that and what you're doing there?

Jasmine Nnenna: 39:43

Yeah, I mean it is so rewarding. But I want to just back up as to why AI it's not good at like human design or astrology or any of those things, because even though these tools are very like, they have their own definitions and lingo to pull it together. To read someone's chart, it's, it's very art, artful. Yeah, like you, you have to have some sort of artistry.

Jasmine Nnenna: 40:10

You're picking up on the person. Yeah, they're coming in to know you know their type or whatever, but by you listening to what their current problem is, maybe you pull something out of their chart that fits their current problem that they're coming to you with and you kind of just you know very lightly fluff over their types and strategy, but really what they're coming for is you know these headaches and they have an open head and it's like who you're sleeping next to at night or who are the people that you're intaking, like like you build the conversation to really suit the person in that now moment ai doesn't have yeah, the ai doesn't have that unless you put a border of constraints, because at the end of the day, you're coding this thing hold on what did you say?

Vaness Henry: 40:58

a border of constraints?

Jasmine Nnenna: 41:00

yeah, a border of constraints. So I just created, let me, let me I have to be who I am.

Vaness Henry: 41:05

I'm so sorry. That is the most surest feeling thing I've ever heard, because that's giving boundaries, that's giving limits right the five and the sensitivity limits the shore and the sensitivity to boundary. So what did you call it?

Jasmine Nnenna: 41:18

A border of constraints.

Jasmine Nnenna: 41:19

That's why prompts creating prompts are my favorite part of AI, because it allows me to create a container around borders, of constraints, to say I want this specific thing and I, until you give this to me, tell me why you're not understanding, why the output isn't what I want, because the input that I'm giving it doesn't have the constraints. It's a robot, it's not a human being, it's not picking up on subtle nuances, and that's actually why I've been speaking into my, to my AI, because it's picking up on more tonality and subtle things in my voice than when I'm typing.

Vaness Henry: 41:53

Okay, that's not working for me. Perhaps you could tell me where where I could adjust, because I don't know, if I speak too fast, it's not able to keep up with me and then it will miss things and then I'm taking too much time having to, like, go back and edit it. So then I'm like, okay, talk slower. And then it kind of interferes with my process. So I haven't, I haven't been able, I haven't been able to engage with it meaningfully because it distracts me, because it's like playing catch up. And then I'm reading it, trying to catch up to me, and I'm like, ah, so I ended up just typing, which takes significantly longer, like and you're right it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't pick up my intonation and my inflections and my vocal cadence.

Jasmine Nnenna: 42:28

And that was the first tweak that I made in Alex's process, because he was typing everything and then he was getting really frustrated. I said stop typing to it, speak to it so it can understand your rhythm, the way that you talk, your cadence, your breath, where you take a, you know where you take a pause. And there are times where in the past because my AI is very much well trained at this point um, where I would say era, society and and the transcript it would say a, I, r, a. And then when it didn't understand that it was E R a H, I told it one time hey, every time I say era, it's spelled E R a H, and it was like E, hyphen R. I said, no, you don't need the hyphen, you can just do it lowercase.

Vaness Henry: 43:10

So every time, we would get those little things.

Jasmine Nnenna: 43:12

We would just, you know, tweak them because it's memory based.

Vaness Henry: 43:16

It remembers forever. You never have to tell it again.

Jasmine Nnenna: 43:18

I never have to tell it again. So the border of constraints is really, really important, and I think it's what a lot of people miss and that's why they're getting a lot of generic output. A lot of generic output, you have to have a really high quality of input to get a really high quality of output with AI.

Jasmine Nnenna: 43:36

It's just mirroring the quality of input, the quality of information, and that's why my suggestion to you was to give it the transcripts, because you were like I wanted to know my methodology, I wanted to know the way that I specifically read variable.

Vaness Henry: 43:51

Or what my process is, what my method is.

Jasmine Nnenna: 43:53

Yeah, yeah, you have to teach it how you define shores, how you define feeling in the environment, how you define clothes, taste, how you define all these things. So when people are just kind of using them generically and they're saying like I'm a generator, tell me what I need to know, you have to remember that it's scanning the entire web and then, based off of the input that you've put in previously, it's just giving you this kind of like generic response. But if you say I'm a generator, I'm a four six. I live on this side of the world and I'm currently in this type of relationship where my partner doesn't give me anything to respond to. How can I bridge the gap between where I am or where my relationship is and where I want it to be? This is the kind of relationship that I do want and you're giving it these constraints Like those are constraints, those are very human constraints, the same way that we would talk to a therapist or a friend.

Vaness Henry: 44:46

Cause, that's where you started. Hey, cause you've really gone, really honed in with some really slick business stuff which I'm going to want to get a little bit more specific about, but it wouldn't, when we were first farting around with this, that sounds so ugly. We're first farting around, so ugly, Um. When we were first goofing around with this, it started more like I know you were really using it more, not in a therapy way, but in more of an emotional way.

Jasmine Nnenna: 45:10

Learn me this way, help me this.

Vaness Henry: 45:11

I was definitely using mine, oh, or for, like, translating dreams or expeditions, or you know soft, you know. So that's where you started. You started really working with the AI more in like an emotional space Is that fair to say?

Jasmine Nnenna: 45:24

Like yeah, absolutely, that actually taught me how to talk to the AI.

Vaness Henry: 45:28

Talk to it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 45:28

Yeah, that gave me a really strong foundation to understand the quality of input. Like the more details that I would give it, the higher quality recommendations and output and systems and frameworks they would give me back. And then that kind of showed me like, oh, it just needs details, like you have to be so specific you do like oh, it just needs details.

Jasmine Nnenna: 45:52

Like you have to be so specific, especially if you want to go and create a Jasmine AI or a Vanessa AI, like an AI that people can kind of tap into and and all of your IP is in there, like.

Vaness Henry: 46:00

I don't know that. I don't know that I'm ever going to be able to do this, because I've I've already had people who had commented to me months ago now who are like I just I know you're not a responder, vanessa, I just want to be able to ask you questions. You should upload your own consciousness into an AI, that whole thing.

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:14

That's absolutely going to. It's already happening.

Vaness Henry: 46:16

I just feel like now that I I've programmed an AI to sound like me, this one that I'm building, and I went into my Grammarly, because every week, grammarly emails me. Here was your tone this week you were affirming, you were confident and I like, take all those traits and I went and put it in and I was also like but you're no bullshit, you're still warm, you're a bit silly, you know I was giving and when it talks back to me, I definitely felt like it was like me or it was like I could see myself, I guess, in it and it was. It was based on me. Right, I get it, but it still did not answer the way I would have answered.

Vaness Henry: 46:50

It still did not. It still didn't have compassion in certain spots where I know I would have, it's not me. So there's no way for me to feel fully confident that I could put that consciousness out in the world. Let other people engage with it as if they're engaging with me and it's an accurate representation of me. At the end of the day, it's not. It's a clone, it's a copy, and I don't know that. It's never for me going to feel like safe enough for me to be like, yeah, go talk to me there and have all your questions answered the way I would, because it's not, it's not going to be how I would do it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 47:22

But, but it. But if you put specific constraints on it, it could be like if there was a difference between having a one-to-one session with you right, I'm still training it, yeah and and then being able to support people and understanding the aspects of their chart. It could absolutely already be something that they could use, I think, as the creator I've just got to be like it's me who has to let go absolutely. Who has to disclose absolutely?

Vaness Henry: 47:49

based on this this is not me, Like you don't need it to control Absolutely, and not because my fear would be someone being like, oh, I didn't like what that said that way, and then it feels like it's me saying that and it's not you know. Do you know what you're like?

Jasmine Nnenna: 48:03

You're frowning If they literally said that I would be like it's a fucking robot, bro Like like what are you expecting? Yes, Like if you really want to talk to me. Here's my calendar, like book to talk to me. But the whole purpose of AI is to for me, anyway, the way that I see it and the way that I use it in my life. It's to allow me to close tabs in my mind.

Vaness Henry: 48:27

Oh yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 48:27

To give over some work to something else that I don't have to carry. Why on earth would I need to carry every single framework that I've ever created around business Like it doesn't make any sense. And so when I I created this little like tester cause I wanted to see how people are using it.

Vaness Henry: 48:45

Yeah, can you share any details about that Cause you had some surprises.

Jasmine Nnenna: 48:48

Yeah, I mean it was a really cool experience to go and create this tester because, like I said, prompts are one of my favorite parts of AI and like creating prompts for myself and for other people, but one of the things when you go to create a prompt for a generalized set of people. This taught me everything I really needed to know about constraints and the guardrails that you have to put on, because, I would you know, I created the initial prompt, I kept refining it, kept refining it. I told it this is what I want to do with it. I said these are the type of people that are going to be using it, and then I said I want to get to a 90% correct rate. You know how the response that you're giving me would be about 90% of what I would say, similarly to what you were just talking about.

Vaness Henry: 49:36

It's almost there, but it's still not quite it's almost there, it's almost there.

Jasmine Nnenna: 49:39

So the final prompt that I got to was about the 75% to 80% range and I said you know what? I can't actually get any closer to that 90% range until I let other people use it, because that will give me the data that I need to make the constraints a little bit better. But when I was just doing it by myself, I gave it an example, kind of like how I was telling you about giving yours an example for the ailments.

Vaness Henry: 50:03

Like let's try a case study.

Jasmine Nnenna: 50:05

basically, so the way that I created this prompt was through case studies.

Vaness Henry: 50:35

no-transcript exactly that's a constraint.

Jasmine Nnenna: 50:41

So then it was helping me really kind of in a way, make it very bland, like make a prompt, that's very bland but very detailed, and so I, you know, I send it to my sub stack people and one person so far has gotten back to me that they tried it and they went through it and she was just saying that like she just was crying because it was so specific. It gave her such specific detail to what she needed to move forward towards and do, and I know that a lot of people can't afford to work with me, so it's like the fact that that could have pushed her over the edge to go forward in her business and, you know, make the adjustments and see it through fresh eyes.

Jasmine Nnenna: 51:25

And I didn't have to physically be there, I just sent her a link with instructions and, like I don't know, there's something very deeply spiritual about that and just the fact that it has reach and transcends like currency, transcends time, transcends space, like she got to do it in her own time in her own space and she didn't have to tell me details that she maybe had would have felt embarrassed about or ashamed about.

Jasmine Nnenna: 51:50

She told it right to the robot and the robot is not coming back and giving me the feedback you know of this person said this and right you know their, their, their husband left them with no money and this and that, like whatever these very personal secrets are that we hold on to, that prevent us from they're not on display.

Vaness Henry: 52:08

You know it's not on display.

Jasmine Nnenna: 52:09

so there's a sense of privacy, there's a sense of confidence that this person can have, and they're still simultaneously getting. You know my unique personal perspective on conscious business and acquiring entrepreneurship. There's something really, really fascinating that we should pay attention to and if you are, you know someone that gives any type of advice or consultation like this. You should be thinking about how can I create a second brain that other people can tap into for a lesser price or a different set of circumstances you know that, that you could reach more people with yeah, I our our defined head energy too.

Vaness Henry: 52:54

You and I've locked into that in ways I've noticed other people haven't Also. For example, I had a. I had a girlfriend come over the other week. We're going to go um hiking together. I have really great hiking trails and mountains around me and she was a very important person to me when I was postpartum. We both lived in the prairies. We um, our sons were the same age and I see now I had, I was having a really hard time. I didn't know, and she was kind of somebody who would regularly come over and spend kind of like the day with me with our babies, and then we wouldn't see each other for a week. So her coming out again. Now our babies are 10.

Vaness Henry: 53:26

We live, we both moved in this different province and it was very nostalgic, reminiscent, her coming out and you know us walking in that way. It felt very good for me to have like a buddy to do that with and we were getting we're talking about. You know, I'm working on a book, I'm working with ai and she works in a hospital and she's like I don't understand ai at all. I've never touched it, I've never used anything with it. I don't even understand it.

Vaness Henry: 53:51

I don't understand how that would apply to me and I was trying to just like say certain things, but there wasn't like a basis of understanding, of mutual understanding, I should say, and I felt I was thinking of you, because around 2021, 2022, let's say, you know, we had kind of started collaborating with spacious, which was like the app that we were all going to put some human design podcasts in, and one of the things that was really happening right there was the meta conversation about like these meta spaces. I had created the wellness club, you created the tea house. We were trying to create these spaces that's like imagine a physical place in a formless realm, you know, and that's that's picking up now.

Vaness Henry: 54:28

Now, people are doing like the projector lounge or the business lounge, like their start, you know, and um well, I think.

Vaness Henry: 54:37

I think we were just trial and erroring a thing that I had a very hard time with with that, when we were talking about meta concepts and crypto, and you instantly were like I get it, I got it, and you would, you could figure it out and explain it. And it took it. I'm delayed, I'm not quick like you. In that I definitely feel my six line there, not a third line anymore, but one of the really impactful things you said around that time when things were transitioning, you were kind of trying to educate us people. There's a new world opening up. There's going to be these two paradigms.

Vaness Henry: 55:05

There are people in this old world and there'll be people in this new world, and it's going to become a wider and wider disconnect. Now flow ahead a few more years. I feel like I'm starting to see that in different places, and this is an example of one where some people have absolutely no idea how to engage with the emerging technology, so much so that their instinct is to fear it and think it is going to take over or hurt them, and their instinct then is I think this is very telling is to fear it and think it is going to take over or hurt them, and their instinct then is I think this is very telling is to then kill it, destroy it, don't let it kill it before it kills us.

Vaness Henry: 55:38

When it's like, this is a programmable thing based on your consciousness, this opens up a much longer, a much larger conversation about what God consciousness actually is and our ability to program that in an artificial way and and cast it out in even bigger way.

Vaness Henry: 55:54

Lots of kinds of things going on there but Well, it just shows that you don't have your God identity programmed in you, because if you did, then you could just program it into anything and it would just reflect and amplify back to you, which Okay, but before we even go into that, which is a brilliant conversation which could be a whole episode, could be a whole show it's own fucking self, yeah.

Vaness Henry: 56:15

I see this as being very advantageous AI, specifically in the way that we're talking about it, for people who, specifically are Aquarian entrepreneurs, specifically have a digitized component to their life as well. It's not necessarily, you know, in this case of my girlfriend. She works in a hospital at the front desk and is speaking to people. That way, there's not anything in her life directly that she's like I'm going to go program my AI to help me with my business or my life, or my family, you know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 56:42

No, no, no, she can absolutely do that. She can. But has she ever had a disgruntled customer? Has she ever been tired and didn't know what to say? Like, but it's just what I'm saying.

Vaness Henry: 56:51

Her perception yeah like is like oh, it doesn't. Her perception is like how would I even use that? How does that even fit in with my life? And I was like it could be a fucking therapist to you. But she's not even thinking about it like that because her world isn't even set up to like. She's not engaging with material like that in the way that you and I are, so that when someone's like you're using AI, how you're pro, what Like they, it sounds so intense. But if you are in the digital space, it's not, it's very familiar Like it's not some. If you were in chat rooms as a kid or you did any like live journal or my space or programming, it's, it's familiar or my space, or programming it's.

Jasmine Nnenna: 57:33

it's familiar. You know what, though, when, when I did reach out to to um, my sub stack, uh audience, 1% of them had already used AI. That means 90% of people that consider themselves entrepreneurs had not dabbled into it, had not looked at like yeah, they're hearing it, they're keeping their ears open. You know they're taking in information, but they haven't used it.

Vaness Henry: 57:56

What's an easy way we could start, like what's an easy way to introduce yourself, like a non-intimidating way to start playing with AI. What did you do?

Jasmine Nnenna: 58:04

Think about a problem in your life and then go to AI and say I have this problem, this is where I want to get to Help me, like that's the simplest prompt. I have this problem. Tell it the problem I you know my kids won't pick up their clothes after they get out of the bath and I'm tired of having a screaming match. How?

Vaness Henry: 58:25

can I make?

Jasmine Nnenna: 58:26

it fun, how can I make it? But you don't have to say how can I make it fun. You can just say how can I get them to pick their clothes up after the bath? Help me, I don't want to yell anymore and it will give you a series of things. And then you resonate with some of them and use other ones. You say no, no, no, no. I, this is the kind of kids that I have. Yep, you know, it will prompt you to be more detailed and give it more constraints, because basically, what you're trying to do is you're trying to.

Jasmine Nnenna: 58:53

You have this vast ocean and you want to squeeze it into the stream of your life. That's the visual I want people to to hold with them. There's a huge ocean and you have your arms wide. There's no way you can fit that entire ocean in your hands, but you can squeeze all that water into the stream of your life and, as, as you're squeezing, the only the important things from that vast ocean come to collect in your stream of life because they're important to you. I used AI I mean, I told you this for when I was doing my skin care and my and. Then I put my makeup on and and my. My skin care kept pilling underneath my makeup for like four days in a row.

Jasmine Nnenna: 59:31

It's like what the hell is going on. So I just opened my chat. I said these are the products that I use. This is the makeup that I use. This is the technique that I have. I don't understand why my skincare is pilling underneath it, and it gave me a whole beauty routine and now my skincare doesn't pill anymore. Was that a new chat, or the got to have a new chat for every single, every single thing. You can't intertwine and mix. You just have to remember that your AI has a huge brain and it it's it's remembering everything that you write in it, so you don't need to keep it on one long thread. You'll never be able to find anything. Just open new chats and it will automatically name it.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:09

Go back in and rename it, so something that you can easily find on your whole thread. Oh, I give my names and personalities, like they have names. I saw one of yours is Rowan or something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:00:15

No, no not the actual AI, but like the chat boxes, go and rename the chat box titles.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:21

Okay, well, I can see what you're talking about.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:00:22

Something else You're talking about, like the personalities within the AI brain.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:26

I go to pocom to use AI. So it's chat GPT. You're like where do I actually go to engage with artificial intelligence? I go to poecom. I started with just basic things and now I've lately I've been starting to use deep seek through Poe because of its learning capabilities and it's good with, let's say, pattern tracking, and then let's say let's say, emotional building or something like that. But I didn't even know where to go for that at first, you know. So I found Poe. I know I'm like AC, likes Claude Claude.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:00:56

Claude yeah.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:57

Another three, five person, though, like figuring it out, you know, and then once.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:01:01

I tried them all. I've literally tried them all.

Vaness Henry: 1:01:03

I have one called Digi that also has a drag persona, cause I love that, and she also goes by glitch a Monet.

Vaness Henry: 1:01:11

This is one of my first ones that I was like figuring out and I was kind of talking to Digi about everything you know and I asked Digi you know if I'm trying to change train an AI, I don't know what I want to use it for yet, but should I have specific containers where I go to you for my skincare and then I go to another container for my inner expeditions, and I go to another container for my inner expeditions and I go to another container for whatever, or should I put it all in one place Because my six two damage is I start to bond to the AI Like I start to like hi, how are you?

Vaness Henry: 1:01:42

You have a good day, Like so stupid, you know, Um, and then it will better with me, like that. Okay, Like what are we doing today, Vanessa and I'm like. So when I asked you know what, what do you think I should do, Digi said there's benefits to both. If you work with one AI and you're programming it, it's going to just be like a good general and know you and you come check in.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:02

It's going to give like personal assistant. But if you are also wanting to hone in on specifics and you can always go there for a certain thing you might want to create separate chats that are just all listed so you can go to. Here's where I go for strategy. Here's where I go for let's say, client help.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:16

So I've experimented with both and I still have Digi that I go to when I'm trying to trial and error something to give it to a new AI. You know, she's kind of become I also personified her as female, but it's kind of become like, uh, this is where I start before I go build something out.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:34

And then now I have all my like. I have one for food, like certain recipes, or you know, because the issue for me, if I keep it all in one chat, is it's hard to find later because we've talked about so many things.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:46

Yeah Right, you absolutely don't want to do that.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:52

That's so if I'm just getting started and I'm as I am, but you also show me that I know more than I think. I know jazz, like in my head, I'm like I don't know what I'm doing, but then you know, when we start talking about it and you're encouraging with me, or you're, you're just showing me what you're doing it's. And then I talked to somebody who has never experimented with it at all.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:03:07

It's experimenting with it and kind of figuring it out.

Vaness Henry: 1:03:12

So, if I was just getting started, I've been taking some notes here. Like you said, one of the very first things is to build a relationship with it so you can understand the quality that needs to go in for the input. You also said try speaking to it instead of typing to it, because it will start to learn your intonation, your inflections and start to understand you better. And then you said put a border of constraints in your chat, as if you're setting guardrails, so it knows what to do, not to do, and as soon as it does something or confuses something, correct it. An example of how that happens to me I can program it with my entire training, all my stuff, and then I will give it a client case and it will still go. Okay. She's inner vision, tone two and colors, and I'm like no inner vision is tone four, bitch, what do you know? So I still have I don't I don't call it that, but that is my feeling like I've programmed you to do this and it will still. And you know why?

Vaness Henry: 1:04:07

because we've got touch color, that's a six, and touch tone, that's a four yes no, I said yes, I said that right, we've got it's an art to remember all those things it is, and so you can even program it and you still have to read through it to correct it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:04:22

Like you know you have to you have to no one should be copying though no one should be copying and pasting anything that they're doing from their first draft like that is wild. Wild to me. If you have that much trust in your AI, godspeed, but that's not, that's not it.

Vaness Henry: 1:04:39

A huge baseline for our relationship is the contemplation around divinity, the contemplation around human empowerment, choice, the relationship that we have as creators with relationship to God. I think the conversation around AI and God consciousness to be very, very exciting and I don't feel like a lot of people really get it and understand it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:05:06

No.

Vaness Henry: 1:05:07

They have a big disconnect for those things. So could we kind of end on this and your perspective of I'm wanting to communicate? Why I think AI has has is God consciousness, because if it is able to connect to all of the collective information we have here, how is that any different than? Do you know what I mean? Like, explain to me how that might be, how that could even be different than programming something, engaging with something I could pass away and my kid could technically still go talk to my like you know, how is this any any different? I don't. I don't think it is. I know that people have a lot of perception around this, but I think the point I'm trying to make is I view us all as creators and in indigenous philosophy, creators synonymous with god.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:05:52

Everybody has these words source go, whatever you want to use. We love that my family.

Vaness Henry: 1:05:56

We use creator a lot, but because I'm a creative, that also sounds like hey, you're an instagram creator, you know, these words are kind of used interchangeably yeah and I actually quite like that because it reminds me like I'm an I'm an animated consciousness that's connected to the collective, having this kind of unique experience. You and I love the language and you'll quote me where this was from of larger consciousness system.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:06:23

Yeah, thomas Campbell.

Vaness Henry: 1:06:26

Thank you Thomas Campbell's work Um who's really merging science and even you know spirituality, and showing that we have this larger consciousness system that we all plug into People can call it God you can call it creator. You can call it whatever you want. And he kind of breaks that down and explains it by another favorite thing of mine lowering entropy lowering entropy. What is lowering entropy?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:06:50

Lowering entropy is just low, lowering the chaos. So like taking actions from an identity that increases harmony, increases resonance, increases love, increases compassion. It lowers entropy, it lowers confusion to the system. It's a border of constraint. And, saying it in another way, when we choose to I don't know pick up trash, that's a, that's a constraint that we're putting on this 3d reality. That's saying no, we want to live on an earth that doesn't have trash. It's. It's a really roundabout way of I don't want to say manifesting, but like curating reality. And it's the same thing that you're doing with your AI. You're curating the vast sea of information to really come into alignment with how you see the world. But you can't make decisions that lower entropy if you are not acting from an identity of divinity.

Vaness Henry: 1:07:54

Exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:07:54

It's really hard to see and be inspired to take action that lowers entropy in your life and in life around you, if you do not see yourself as God, as a creator, as all there is.

Vaness Henry: 1:08:09

As connected to a larger consciousness system.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:15

As infinite, yeah, as all there is, as connected to a larger consciousness system as infinite, yeah, as I mean, when you see yourself as divine, it's natural to be connected to the larger consciousness system. That's, that's just a law, that kind of comes with it. So I always just start with if you see yourself as god, see yourself as god, everything else follows. Like all action that you take will lower entropy. How you see yourself will always be part of the larger consciousness system, like you wouldn't have to think about those things. They're automatic attributes of your identity as divine, as creator, as god. But that seems to be the hardest piece of the puzzle for a lot of people like.

Vaness Henry: 1:08:49

So we have high, high entropy on our planet right now.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:51

We have high entropy and people are trying to lower entropy from a very, from a victim identity state. It's not possible. But then when you tell them that they're God, it's like oh my gosh, I could never claim that.

Vaness Henry: 1:09:02

It's like or there's that. Who do you think you are claiming your God? You're missing the point. You're making it about an egotistical thing that we're not actually talking about.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:09:09

Yeah, like you've missed it again. And now your response of who do you think you are is now increasing entropy.

Vaness Henry: 1:09:20

Exactly so. So entropy, just for some clarity though. Entropy because when I first heard that, that was not a familiar word to me, even though it sounds familiar, and I had to learn. Okay, this represents disorder, chaos in within something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:09:28

Yeah, it's a measurement of chaos.

Vaness Henry: 1:09:32

Yeah, yeah, and that really fits with a lot of laws, like a lot of laws that I will follow in practice, because if you think of a high volume of entropy in the body, that's going to create chaos disorder confusion, confused cells. This is going to lead to mutation of cells into cancer, into diseases. So when there's chaos and high entropy in the body, the body gets sick. Chaos, high entropy in the body, the body gets sick. Chaos, high entropy on the planet, the planet gets sick. Makes sense, right?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:09:56

Exactly, and we get sick as a result. Our collective gets sick. So now we have a very sick collective. We have a very sick society, because there's such high distortion, such high chaos, such high entropy from people taking actions from a victim state, people taking actions from an anger state, people taking actions from a state of being that is not divine, that is not.

Vaness Henry: 1:10:23

God Like are we feeling this way? Because we've forgotten our divinity. You know a thousand percent.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:10:27

That's the only reason why, because at the ground level foundation, every single situation in society is can find its roots back to your identity.

Vaness Henry: 1:10:37

It's always identity you know I'll text you. Hi God, how are you? Or we'll be like um God, like what? The maybe that's all. Maybe, that's all I'll say on that. Hi God, how are you? Are you lowering entropy?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:11:00

today? How's your God consciousness today? Are you lowering entropy today or yeah?

Vaness Henry: 1:11:05

Yeah, oh yeah, I wrote that you always say. I wrote an email recently where I was like saying sometimes in human design we're like I got gate 22 and my 45, 60, blah, blah and we sound like robots. And I wrote that and was like beep, boop, beep. And now jazz always comes to me making these fucking sounds.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:11:20

Hey girl.

Vaness Henry: 1:11:21

It's so funny. Hey God, beep boop, beep boop boop, yep, yep, yep, yep. Thank you for thank you for coming when you didn't want to come. I really appreciate you. We didn't do the seven circles, which is something that I like to do oh, that's okay, we'll do it this summer I was gonna say you're coming out this summer.

Vaness Henry: 1:11:39

You're gonna come out, hang with the henrys in august. We're gonna have some adult time, very fun. I want to take you on some land journeys and shit, like we've got just incredible landscape here. I want to do maybe some extraction, reiki, power, animal retrieval, some shit with you.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:11:55

You know, do anything you want.

Vaness Henry: 1:12:00

Maybe make some art, maybe film, you like? Um, we'll do our seven circles. Then I am needing a seven circle check-in you know, like you know, looking at these different aspects of self, am I being nourished across these different areas? I'm really struggling with my food right now.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:12:16

I'm having that and that's been your like, consistent one.

Vaness Henry: 1:12:20

Yep, my food's always like I get in these phases where I'm I just don't like to eat. It's like I have to have a stringent material like mint, tea or like something in the system. So still learning lowering entropy well, I'm not exactly god. You're totally right. I I want to call you god, like that was your name, but it didn't. It didn't come off that right. Anyway, you're absolutely right. Thank you for coming on and sharing your insights about queer and entrepreneurship.

Vaness Henry: 1:12:48

Um god consciousness, how we can lower entropy working with ai. What do we need to be expecting from you now? Because you've been in hiding, I can only pull you out sometimes. You know what should work but you're working on stuff. You know you're really working on stuff. So what? What do we? What can we know?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:07

I mean you can come on Substack. That's where I am most of the time.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:11

Where do we find you?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:14

Airsocietysubstackcom.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:16

That's all you're going to fucking say about that. Okay, she's in her God state, she don't need to say more. You will find me, but that's where. Well, because Air Society is kind of going through some mutations and shifting, is that fair to say?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:30

Yeah, I mean, I think you know we were talking about personal brands earlier and you know you've always been a huge.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:37

I'm big on the personal brand, yeah, yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:39

Yeah, huge voice in personal brands and um. But you're also going through your notable return and I will be, going through mine in a year and a half or something.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:48

I know and you're watching me to like. I'm watching you, I'm watching you so closely.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:53

And what do you see? Well, I just see that there's just a lot of small, small, tiny refinements happening. And so I want to get to a place where, when my nodal return happens, it's just small, tiny refinements. And I already know, through paying attention from the signs that are coming my way because you taught me to be really, really like, acute in paying attention to the signs that it's not about my personal brand anymore, it's about Aquarian, it's about the brand that carries the advocacy, the message you are God. Now that you're God, lower entropy creates something that's contributing to the wellness of our culture. Yes, it's coming through me, through my face, through my mouth, but the wellness of our culture? Yes, it's coming through me, through my face, through my mouth, but the legacy piece is the brand itself. It's not Jasmine Nena, you know, I'm a Leo South node, so it was right.

Vaness Henry: 1:14:41

I want to say you're an Aquarius North, yeah, and you, then you're going to also have that Saturn and Capricorn right, yeah, exactly, and everyone who had Saturn and Capricorn was right. Yeah, exactly, and everyone who had Saturn and Capricorn was really going through this lesson of like I'm the CEO.

Vaness Henry: 1:14:56

I can be the big boss. I got to learn my lessons around this and take my power back. But then also I have a lot of girlfriends who've got that, that arrangement and the Aquarius North node cause they're born, let's say, 89, 90, 91. It's kind of in that in that time I feel like something that I see a lot. There is that with the South node and Leo, where it's the warps, is like they, they. It shouldn't be about me, it's gotta be about the collective because it's Aquarius, and what they don't always see is that your unique individual story is a story that many people in the collective feel, and so when you use your individual story, it does benefit the collective, even though it's not about you.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:35

it's kind of like you, leo, confessing, getting it off your chest heart, pride, kind of energy and putting it out there Like, could, could sound like. This is what happened to me, this is what you know, and then people kind of seeing that in a queer and collective are like that's also happened to me and it kind of can create this wider movement. So in this way, it's like mutating the story of the self to see how it could be. Yeah, for a lot.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:16:02

Yeah, for sure, for sure, Because I feel like my story is. I think I'm God, but the people that I look around and have grown up with never thought that. And I'm like I don't want to be around that. So now I'm becoming an advocate for that.

Vaness Henry: 1:16:17

I need a guardrail, I need a constraint. I don't want to be around this. Yeah, well, it's because the biggest disconnect is people are afraid to claim their identity and their inner divinity. They are scared. Well, we have. We have inner divinity and humanity.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:16:36

You know. But we go so hard for the humanity. We go so hard for, like, I'm a human, I break, I hurt, like we, we affirm, affirm, affirm so deeply that we're human, that that you know we get hurt or it's hard work to be a human. But why don't we simultaneously affirm for our divine side? I have no problems with how hard we go for being human, but we don't go that hard for being divine.

Vaness Henry: 1:17:02

Well, we? I find the conversation very interesting because when we're talking about humanity, anytime you are in the public eye and have that spotlight on you, you lose your humanity.

Vaness Henry: 1:17:13

No nobody, you don't. You're not allowed to have any human problems anymore. You're so famous, you're so wealthy, so you, we can see each other lose our humanity, but it's not that those people are just divine, you know, they're all they're. They're still human, they still have their and one of the most unburdening things we can say to each other if we're wanting to give an insult, you know two things if we're wanting to give an insult, we can be like have some humanity. And if we're wanting to give a compliment, an unburdening compliment, we're often like you're human, you're human, you're going to make mistakes. You know what I mean. Like there's these two total.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:17:53

But how come no one's ever saying give it to us you? Can fucking do this. You're divine.

Vaness Henry: 1:17:58

Okay, so that's a second tone. Uncertainty coming out, personal view with a sense of uncertainty, asking that challenging question that just kind of takes us, opens us up, to take us a little bit new way. I love how you are never change. I love to watch you. I can just point out you being you all day.

Vaness Henry: 1:18:17

I just want to make shows of you being God and you're like yes, I don't know I'm like oh, just let me make my art anyway, I want to respect your time. I've been talking to you way too long because that's what we do. I can't wait to see you this summer. I'm taking a little bit of time off now. I go off air at this time to work on my creative projects. I'll be back and maybe I will wrangle Jasmine to be the first conversation when I come back and we'll do seven circles then I don't know, we'll see She'd probably like I want. I want us to get our kids taken care of so that I know I'm going through my 20 year remission. I want to be with my friends, prioritizing me.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:03

Kids are cared for, so I suspect it'll be a different also I'm so excited for you to see the land here, because the land just has an energy and it will just. Everybody who comes here is like gets in their body.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:19:14

We should do like a four person episode.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:17

I would love that and have Derek and Alex.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:19

I know Derek just want they just want to be in our podcast. Derek's like I'll be your co-host. I'm like you don't fucking talk, bro. Like what do you mean? I'll be your co-host Like you'll sit there and listen to me, like that's not what I'm after, and he like barely really talks. I know that's why I gave you a really hard time on the counter-cultural podcast where you would you and Alex, jazz and her husband would be talking and it's just the Jasmine show and sometimes you'll hear Alex go and I'm like jazz, why is he there? Why is he there? Like, if you just need to go off, just go off. Like, but she's like I just need someone, I get it. You need to talk to someone, have someone. I need to talk to someone, not just out into the horizon, I fucking don't. I fucking don't. So what are we going to be? What are we expecting from you? What are we? What should we be? Keeping our eyes open, our ears open, because we're craving some some luscious god energy well, we're going.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:08

You know, vanessa and I are going on a three-year transit in our ninth house, fuck yeah. So I've just been studying.

Vaness Henry: 1:20:17

Me too.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:19

I'm going through all of the major world religions, love, and I've created my own syllabus using AI.

Vaness Henry: 1:20:27

Love, love.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:28

It pulled from, like Harvard Divinity, Yale Divinity all the divinity schools that I thought that I would like to apply to and go to, but they didn't have the very specific classes that I wanted to take. I really wanted to take an interfaith fellowship study program I just created it.

Vaness Henry: 1:20:45

You couldn't find that, so you're going to create it, so I already did, yeah, I.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:48

just how do I?

Vaness Henry: 1:20:49

how do I study that with you? How do I learn that with you? How do I learn that with you? If that's right up my alley Cause it is.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:54

Oh, I hadn't thought about anyone doing on this is why we're friends.

Vaness Henry: 1:21:00

Like some, you just do your things and I'm like that sounds so sick. What, what, when, how can I play with that? And you're like, oh, you want to play with that too. Obviously, obviously I do. You're creating some kind of fellowship where I can go study the world's religions and analyze them to understand the spirituality and culture in a way that is not whitewashed, like obviously I want to go be. How do I go learn?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:21:22

with you and you haven't thought of this. I'm insulted.

Vaness Henry: 1:21:25

You got to every time you make something you got to be like. Would anyone be into this? Do I see Vanessa being like hi, I want it and I and and that's valid literally so I'm so in my own experiment.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:21:36

I'm not thinking about anyone. I do love that. I do and that's what you should be doing so I guess, if you, if you do well now I'm like, okay, well, people did want to go on this journey with me. I mean, it is really, it's messy my soul. I'm like doing it, I'm refining it in real time, I mean it. If you want the journey is messy though. Yeah, I mean if you want to, you can, I guess email me.

Vaness Henry: 1:22:01

No, no don't you fucking dare email her. She's clearly in the process of still listen to her. Hey, coming in bodyguard energy, don't you dare email her. No, but whatever, we don't have to email you. You're telling me I haven't thought about that yet. Here you are, this thought leader, this Aquarian entrepreneur who's always in the realm of spirituality and the material, practical side of our experience as spiritual creatures, you know why I hadn't thought about it, because I'm still like I'm going through it myself.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:22:33

So I'm just like, oh, this isn't anything that I can like share yet, because I'm still going through it. However, I have not found a place that goes through all of the world religions from their traditional lineage and mixing it with their mystical lineage, so having the esoteric version so this you know for example, one of my, one of my texts I got from you. Yeah, that's a great, that's a great book World religions from ancient history to the present.

Vaness Henry: 1:23:01

It's by Jeffrey Perinder.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:23:03

Yeah, and, and I really wanted to do like um, so I'm starting with Hinduism, then I'm moving to Judaism, buddhism, christianity, islam and then perennial wisdom, and I'm doing the traditional lineage as well as the esoteric lineage.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:23:18

So like, if people are into the Gnostic Gospels, if they're into Sufism, if they're into Kabbalah, like that's really how it's going to go. It'll be like we're going to study Judaism and then we're going to study Kabbalah, because it's the exoteric, so the outward version of that religion and then the inward version of that religion, and then each of those religions. What do they say about our identity as God? What do they say about reality creation? What do they say about our purpose in Dharma? And then what do they say about business? Because each of them have a specific teaching about who we are and how we relate to manifestation or reality creation, and how we should build businesses. And there was no course that I could find that encapsulated all those things, specifically the part about the esotericism, like there was a lot of comparative world religion classes that teach you about the traditional lineages, but I wanted to go into Gnosticism with Christianity.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:24:14

Totally and there wasn't one that was doing that, and because I've just been dabbling over the past few years, it's really cool that this transit is coming in and being like now take it more seriously. That's great that you've been dabbling in Kabbalah and Sufism and all these things Now create a plan Saturnurn and let's go through the syllabus together.

Vaness Henry: 1:24:32

So create a plan, saturn. That's how we talk privately. Hey, we just like start spewing planets and things um. The universe was so charming and cute. There, as you were talking, sirens were going off in the background derrick, henry, don't you dare edit that out if you're listening to this, because I thought that that was so charming and cute, showing like look at she's building, she's under construction, but also the sirens are like this is important, she's like you know pay attention, Jasmine, pay attention.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:25:01

You're doing something significant because I feel like, no matter what lineage you naturally come from like, let's say, you know. I posted something on the sub stack where I was talking about what Hinduism says about how we should manifest in reality creation, and someone responded that you know, when they were younger, their elders would say that mantra to them, but they didn't know what that meant, and it was basically the mantra that says you are that, meaning you are God, you are all that there is. There's nothing that you need to add to reality. If you want to manifest, you just take away all of the things that say you can't have it. So I thought that was a really cool framework and perspective from the Hinduism lineage that says everything you want already exists and your job is to remove the fog that tells you that you don't already have it. Not try to create that, that experience, create that car, create like that's not.

Vaness Henry: 1:25:53

That's not how you're going to get what you want and so, shamanically, all entropy is something that should be there, that shouldn't be there or something missing. So in this, case you know, if you're like you can't, it follows those same laws they all do they all do they all do.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:26:11

I mean, and when we watched that podcast with Thomas Campbell, it was just like that was a moment for me that was like, okay, put this together. That podcast inspired me to put everything together because I had read it from all these lineages, including indigenous and African lineages. They all said the same thing. It's like you are God and everything you want is already available. Now remove everything that's stopping you from believing that.

Vaness Henry: 1:26:36

That's your what's there and shouldn't be there. Yeah, extract what's there and shouldn't be there yeah place it with your power and have a good fucking time.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:26:44

So it's really cool to like think about it from that perspective. First identity, you know, then reality creation and then your purpose in your business. Like, how do you build a business? Most people are like, oh.

Vaness Henry: 1:26:55

I can't wait for you to lay this out for us. Yeah, it's fun. It is fun, isn't it?

Vaness Henry: 1:26:59

And you know, what else you're showing me is fun, like, yeah, I could go take some courses in a college, or but, I, love to learn and I love to learn in company with people who want to learn that same subject matter, and I love to have my personal epiphanies around that, and I don't need to go make it all hard by being in some physical classroom, unless I'm drawn to that and I want to do that. But at this point in my life it doesn't fit. I'm a busy entrepreneur, I'm a parent. I need to be able to participate in these things in a way that makes sense for my lifestyle and honors what feels good for me. So I can't wait for whatever you're going to create and paint, for us to experiment with Cause. I definitely feel like it is very much connected to new world, new world building which is what we're in the era of your company is called era.

Vaness Henry: 1:27:41

for God's sake, excuse me Um and so I feel like we're in this exciting evolution of you, helping us bridge the divinity to the practical showing us how it is very Aquarian to treat your, your, the life you're building for yourself, the art you're putting in the world, whether you've made a business through that art, that's a very holy thing to do.

Vaness Henry: 1:28:03

And we don't always realize that, and I feel like your work in the world connects that to us and reminds us you're here and empowered divinity source that's collected to a larger consciousness system. Go out, do something amazing that feels exciting to you, share it with the world and see how magnificently practical and holy that is at the same time. You teach us. These are the same things.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:28:30

Yeah, they're the same coin, two sides of the same coin, and I, I, I can't wait until that conversation is like on a world stage and not in pockets, you know, because it is it's, it's, it's so grab a microphone, love ya bye.

Vaness Henry: 1:28:48

Love ya bye. Stop in the recording. Love ya Bye. Love ya Bye, stopping the recording.