No. 39 — Building the Human Design Hotel ft Eden Carpenter

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Nov 23

Time for a grounded, behind-the-scenes look at a major experiment in the Human Design world — and what it revealed about healing, community, and the ENVIRONMENTS that support us.

In this episode, I sit down with Human Design educator and 6/2 Emotional MG, Eden Carpenter, fresh from my visit to the Human Design Hotel — a first-of-its-kind space created to explore how environment, awareness, and sensory design shape the way we heal. Eden is a Mountains person beginning her climb on the roof.

We talk about what it took to build this project, what surprised us both, and why community spaces rooted in awareness are becoming SO essential.

In this InSight, we explore:

The lived reality of American women carrying chronic fight-or-flight, and what it means to finally exhale on different soil
The importance of creative reciprocity — and why creators, artists, and teachers must be paid for their work
How embodiment practices come alive in person (including Jasmine Nnenna putting Eden into a real-time sacral experiment!!)
What the Fly Omen told me — what was really happening behind the scenes at the Human Design Hotel — the beauty, the brilliance, and what was rotting
Why spaces of awareness are becoming the new temples — and what it takes to build them ethically
The ripple effect of lineage, mentorship, and the unseen influence we all carry
Eden’s transition into her Saturn Return + going “on the roof” as a 6/2 MG (and the projections that come with it)

Here's Eden's Colour Palette:

EDEN CARPENTER

Design Type: 6/2 Emotional Manifesting Generator
Colour Palette: Taste / Mountains / Wanting / Fear

Find Eden at:
The Energetics of Everything Podcast
Edencarpenter.com
The Human Design Hotel

Vaness Henry (00:00.158)

What were some of your favorite moments now at the live event? Because I was able to meet you live. I was able to feel your energy live. That was so exciting. Girl, you give Demi Lovato in person. Yeah, I was like, look, this hair, this Lara Croft braid right now, but like you had this long, wooshy hair. The Leo rising in me was like, hello, I want that. I want that long hair. Where are the extensions? Yeah, give it to me. Where's the mane?

But what was some of your favorite moments at the live event? You're there, you're planning this for months, and then you have people there at the site, they're in person. What was some of your favorite moments of this experience?

Eden Carpenter

Yes, I have never felt so surrounded by my community in person. I've attended events, I've gone and like met a friend here or there, but to have people who I've known from very different corners of my journey. I mean, I Stephanie Burgos years ago when I was in Beachbody and we were in like fitness coaching and it was...

I was a completely different person. met her when I was a teenager. And then to have like people that I've never met yet, I don't know, it just felt like so much community.

Vaness Henry

Hi, I'm Vaness Henry and welcome to Insights. I'm really excited about my conversation today because I was recently invited to come attend what is being called the first ever Human Design Hotel. So today in my conversation, I'm talking with a modern contemporary who is very well known in the human design space. Eden Carpenter is a 6/2 emotional manifesting generator and she was the human design expert on this project helping bring it to life. I believe her official title was project manager.

Vaness Henry (01:45.9)

And in this experience, she was able to real-time experiment and trial and error things in this first ever gathering site. In this conversation, we get into the origin story of the Human Design Hotel and how it came to be. We get into Eden Saturn Return and what it's like to go on the roof in real time and what the heck does all that language mean. We even have some conversations around the actual embodiment practices that happened in real time and how transformational they were.

Especially when you're gathering together in person in real time. And we get into creator integrity and some of the values that absolutely need to be established if we're going to be erecting more of these modern gathering sites where we can congregate together differently. I'm so excited for you to hear this conversation. Let me know how it lands with you in the comments below and check out Eden's podcast, The Energetics of Everything, which I've included some links below.

Eden, welcome to the pod.

Eden Carpenter

Vaness, thanks for having me.

Vaness Henry

Thank you so much for being here. Eden Carpenter, first time on the show. I've just had an in-person experience with you. Radically changed my life. And so I wanted to have you on the show to talk about it. You are the human design expert who was on the team of Raleigh Connections in Montreal to create, from what I know, what my research tells me, the first ever quote unquote human design hotel. How did you get involved in this? How did this happen?

Eden Carpenter (03:16.864)

Vaness Henry

Tell us who Maya is.

Eden Carpenter

Yes, Maya is Maya Pearl is the founder of Ralia Realty. She owns several different beautiful retreat properties all over the world. I met her in a mastermind with Makosi Candice Pitts, who is the Royal Shaman on Instagram. So we're in this shamanic business mastermind together for a little while. And it's interesting because we only, joined like the mastermind I was in and then decided she wanted to be in a separate one that happened to have more people as a four, six sacral generator. She was in it for the connections. She was like, I need more people than the smaller group that.

Her business is even called Connections, right?

Yes, is specifically connections is that event space and then Rally-A Realty is the overall business brand. Yeah.

Let me echo this back to you and make sure I got it. Raleigh owns the retreat centers, the hotel, but the gathering site that we were at where people could come, that specific thing is called Raleigh Connections. so then the hotel is kind of on top of that connection site. Love that. I got it. Thank you.

Yes.

Eden Carpenter (04:39.308)

There, yes, clarification on all the details.

Eden Carpenter (04:46.53)

I appreciate that. Always. Yeah.

So we got involved in this because of kind like you were investing in yourself, in your studies, in your business, in your school.

Yeah, we were both growing our businesses, learning things about spirituality and business growth and just figuring out that connection between how being an entrepreneur is really a personal development journey and we were growing in our own businesses. I ended up taking my team to a retreat. I did a team business retreat in Costa Rica and because I'd never experienced a luxury retreat before,

I didn't know anything about this. like, I got my passport last year. It was a very new experience for me. And so I reached out to Maya in, I think it was 2022. This was a year or so after the mastermind and I wanted to take my team on a retreat. And so I went to her Costa Rica property and that was a life-changing experience. It was absolutely beautiful being able to meet her.

hurt.

Eden Carpenter (05:55.11)

her guides, her local guides. We were able to go to like lunch at her guide's friend's house, her guide's friends, like her father's boat took us to this private beach. It was a beautiful experience and I just felt so, so taken care of through every step of the way. And so we'd stayed in connection and she'd caught me a few times to just pick my brain about

how would you incorporate human design into physical buildings? And so I didn't know that we'd been having these conversations while she was developing and she had just recently acquired the site that currently is the Human Design Hotel. So I'd been talking about it and mentioning it for a little while. And then last year in 2024, she invited me to come be the first guest. So half of the hotel was done.

half of it was fully a construction site, like no walls, no... Yeah, you can see the loose wires everywhere, hard hats are required for entry, full construction site. And so I got to see half of it done, half of it in full construction. And she'd been mentioning Human Design Hotel, and it just wasn't clicking in my inner vision until I got there and I was able to see...

See the bones.

Eden Carpenter (07:19.854)

okay. This is what it is. You have the event space downstairs, you have the left brain, you have the right brain, you have active environments, passive environments. It really came to life for me actually being in that space. And then we had a few more conversations before, I'd say about six, seven months ago, she officially invited me to be the project manager to bring this to life as

a human design hotel rather than just an Airbnb that is incorporating human design elements.

Right, that's an important point. This whole idea doesn't work without you. You're highly valuable on that team because the human design expert on the team of, know, if we're moving into this era where we're going to be building these gathering sites, these places where we congregate differently, and, you know, maybe we're not congregating about religion anymore. Maybe we're congregating about awareness, which is what I would kind of say what this felt like. Yeah, what do we need to know about how this whole thing is going to work?

If you're the awareness person on staff, yeah, you got to be, it doesn't work without that. But also this experience taught me as an experiencer, this is not to diminish the space and the beauty of the hotel itself, but we can really create these spaces anywhere. What is important are the people who fill the space and the values underneath things going on so that we can practice

speaking these languages in real time together. I found there was so much permission to be myself there. I really felt well respected as someone who has a manifesto energy aura, you know. Nobody was making me respond. I thought that was amazing. And again, none of this works. The whole human design component doesn't work if you're not there, which I want to just circle back. I didn't talk about your design.

Vaness Henry (09:21.174)

You're 6'2". She's a role model hermit. She's also a manifesting generator with emotional authority. You're a mountains person. This is my favorite environment. I just get so enamored with these people. I love the way this looks in real life. And you have the same inner variables as my dear friend Jasmine Nenna. Closed taste, inner vision. Love that.

love these visionaries who are selective with things. But my ears prick up when you or someone's communicating to you and you're like, I don't see it. I don't see it. I'm like, that's inner vision language. Okay. And so it's interesting that you then needed to travel to the site, get your hands on it. You know, you do, you do have a sense of touch in your mountain and then, here's how this might work. And this whole process, you're going on the roof. So you're in your Saturn return. We have lore about that.

in the human design space, in the astrology space, even in gene key spaces, which I know you're fluent in all these areas with your work and you're an amazing teacher. I was able to watch you teach in the setting and that was fantastic. Can we talk about going on the roof for a moment? Because you've heard this phrase, your whole frickin' human design studies, you've been in the community for a long time. And you know, I'm in my late thirties now and

You've been around, I've been around for a decade and you're pretty, you're coming up to your decade of experimentation in that as well. So you were very young to be aware. So that's very interesting. What will her experience be going on the roof as somebody who has known, okay, I'm really kind of operating like a third line. I imagine there might be some pressure that you feel or what I don't know, you'll tell me because I only became aware in my Saturn Returns.

That's when my studies really kind of started experimenting. I found a human design book in my mid-20s and I was like, read it cover to cover. I'm a manifestor. I'm ego authority. That sounds like it sucks. Ooh, I'm probably bad. boy. Like all the things you would think. And only when I became a parent did I really like start experimenting, you know? And once I had my son's design to look at, it was like, my gosh. And so that's when I, I was aware of it, but I wasn't really embodying and practicing. It took me a few years to even get there.

Vaness Henry (11:41.624)

and then that was my Saturn return. Now you have been embodying, you have been experimenting. What's going on for you as you kind of now enter the Saturn return era and you're as the six line going on the roof, that second life phase we hear about. What's it like for you?

I will say that there have been, there's been a lot of projections on, surprisingly.

Such a surprise. Yeah. So let's hear it. Yeah. What are some of the things you're having here?

Yeah, there's a lot of projections around people's personal experiences as six lines going on the roof, figuring out what they're going to do. There's been a lot of guesses around what's going to happen. And so I would say that originally there was a little bit of defensiveness around, okay, you say six lines can't be successful before they're fully off the roof and in those...

I'm like, yeah, like I'm to prove that wrong. You say a six line can't be a role model until they're after their Saturn return. I'm going to prove it wrong. So I do feel, yeah, I did. I did very defined ego of me. I do see my resilience starting to feel less like a fun challenge and more just draining. So there are certain things from like my

Eden Carpenter (13:08.718)

like just my mindset going into business at like 21 was I'm going to be the one that teaches all of the human design things. It's hard. It's a lot of work. No one's done it this way. No one's turned all of the gates into Instagram posts. I'm going to do that. That's more work than everyone else is doing. No one's willing to do it. I'm willing to do it. And so there was really this, I'm willing to

to find, you know, powerful energy available.

all the motors to find. Yeah. So I said, I'm going to be the one. I'm going to be the one. I'm going to be the one. And there has been a little bit of like a desire to pull back going on the roof instead of being, I'm going to be consistent. I'm going to post all the time. I'm going to show up. I'm going to teach every topic in human design. It's really been this like, okay, how can I get the information out there? How can I help the people? But also just like,

Beautiful. Yeah.

Eden Carpenter (14:06.294)

protect my life? How can I have like my personal life with my business? And for the longest time, it felt like how do I build a lifestyle that my business can revolve around? And I really wanted that me in the spotlight, me doing everything and recording everything, and then just that being my content, my business and like everything else. And now I'm really wanting it to be separate of like, how do I have

I show up for business, I'm in that energy, and then my private life is separate. So it's been an interesting desire to separate things. And there was initially some judgment around this of like, oh, this is your undefined G center, it just wants to be, doesn't know how to like mesh identities. It's confused around how does this version of me and this version of me make sense. I felt like I was compartmentalizing myself. And then I realized, okay, this might just actually be

I'm a passive environment style. I'm a 6'2", and not just a second line. My second line is in the gate of 40. I have the gate of aloneness as my conscious self.

mean if somebody doesn't know what that means what does that mean to you to have that?

Yeah. The second line is a hermit energy where it is designed to go into its inner world for these phases. It's designed to go into its hermit shell, figuring things out in its own world is really where the magic is. And so you need to be in this like private little bubble to figure things out on your own. And then eventually you are designed to go out and externalize it, to share it with the world. But you do need that private

Eden Carpenter (15:50.03)

permitty energy to really figure it out for yourself first. And so, yeah, I've just, I've really realized that desire to go inwards. There's been a lot of projections around, specifically around my marriage. So got married at 19.

Or and married at night, okay. Married at 19, don't have kids yet. That's gonna be a project. Kids is gonna be a huge projection, especially on the female in her late 20s. Not so much the male, but it is there. Business too, you know, yeah. So, okay, sorry to interrupt, but I just, yep, yep.

Oh inform. Oh, don't apologize. Please. This is a conversation. will monologue.

Eden Carpenter (16:37.56)

Just keep talking.

So there's been some, there's projections, there's a lot of people who see, and you're a second line, so there's a lot of people who see things and how you've been dealing with that.

Yeah, think part of me, my fear motivation has kicked in with like, okay, what do I have to do to make sure that your fears don't realize in my life? I think there's been some expectations with that sixth line of like, I am the sixth line who's known about human design for so long. And so, so many people are watching to see how are you gonna navigate the Saturn return? Exactly.

I was excited about this interview

Yeah

Eden Carpenter (17:20.27)

So there's a little bit of pressure of like, everyone's expecting me to do it well. Everyone's expecting, it to at least be interesting. I think that's my, my personal projection or interpretation is, everyone has high expectations for this. There is, there is a good amount of pressure. There's a lot of, yeah, all the sister energy for sure.

Must be hard, Eden. Yeah.

this sister

Vaness Henry (17:48.978)

I'm you you were a nurse. I was a journalist. Yeah, before we kind of, I have the journalism background, know, this nursing, this kind of health background. And so I know that was very interesting because once you started to have some recognition in human design, you were like, and you were kind of plugged into the health system in America. And it was like, this isn't, I don't know, I don't feel good. And you had these opportunities during COVID of, you know,

you can't come into the hospital or you can't. And it just kind of gave you the space to, okay, well then I'll go really dabble here. And so for a lot of your 20s, your working career has been using this incredible system. What's been the most meaningful part of your work so far?

What's been the most meaningful part of my-

Too deep? Too deep? I'm curious, know, what has stayed with you?

Big question,

Eden Carpenter (18:42.99)

think seeing the ripple effect, is currently there's a book on this shelf right here by Holly Marie, who she's a manifesto. Yeah. Yeah. Holly. Yes.

She heads up the Manifestr community. Yeah.

Yeah, she heads up the manifesto community and I met her in a mastermind over five, six years ago. And she was resistant to human design. Like, that's not for me. No, I'm not interested. And just slowly through me recognizing her and sharing like little bits of information, her entire business changed. This? Her, yeah, she...

I know how

In the first round of my human design certification, she was at the Mastermind live event where I got the opportunity to teach human design live and everyone was like, you need to create a certification. Like what is going on here? This is insane. What, like, no, let's cancel everything we have for the rest of day. just keep going. Thank you. So yeah, it's seeing, she was in a completely different business.

Eden Carpenter (20:02.604)

We got to work through the certification. I worked with her one-on-one and just she's created this entire niche within human design.

Holly is in your lineage. I love that. She has had a huge impact.

Yeah, she has had a... 4-6, Splenic Manifestor created the manifestor community, wrote a book about it, specializes in 9 % of the population. And without that mastermind, I'm sure eventually at some point she probably would have found it, but I played a very pivotal role in bringing her into that purpose.

and there's been several other people like that too.

I've a little, I've influenced that business as well. That's fun. It wasn't always called the manifestor community. That's all I will say. Holly's Australian. She's lovely. She's lovely. Thank you for that story. I didn't know that. I love a little juicy tidbit. Got it. Thank you. Love that. Hi, Holly. She doesn't listen to the show. Don't know if she does, but she be like,

Eden Carpenter (20:55.981)

Yeah?

Vaness Henry (21:21.23)

Okay, so the connections you made in the ripple effect, there's been some, that's cool, I agree. We hear in human design that the 6-2 can have a massive influence, but most of their effect happens in these small little spaces. And so I always look at Aaron Claire Jones, the projector 6-2, who has really helped get the message out, you know, of like, this is available.

available, you know, if we're just talking about 6-2s and looking at that, she's had a massive influence on this space and is a projector. So it's like equipped to guide. So I always see the way she does things, you know, and she sent me her book as well. And these people making these books now, you know, I see you got some of yours back there. That's been a fun part of our generation, you know, that's been fun. And people have opinions about that. But systems always need to be synthesized in modern languages, otherwise they'll die. So it's an important

It's an honor. You know, it's an honor for sure.

The original texts in human design say it's a living breathing system that needs to change and evolve to match society. So.

Feng Shui says that too. love that teaching. know, in Feng Shui they say like the tall buildings is the same energy as the mountain. You know, we didn't always have the tall buildings, but it's creating the same, it's affecting the atmosphere in a similar way. And so may we evolve, may we grow, may we change. That's the whole freaking point, right? So, okay, okay, okay. I heard the most meaningful kind of part of your work.

Eden Carpenter (23:03.32)

Ripple effect, seeing people who, like yeah, seeing them run with something. And I think also, like my original language and concepts have really influenced the online community in more ways than I think people know. But I will see posts about like manifesting in the G center and like certain, I will literally see like education styles in human design. I'll see concepts that

I originally created just popping up on Instagram as these like just fun facts in human design in different languages. And I'm never offended or I feel like that I'm being stolen from. It's really a genuine honor to see my graphics translated into different languages and to see, you know, some people would be like, oh, this is you're stealing my intellectual property. I'm like, you're translating it into a language. have no

Option of figuring out on my own like I'm not gonna learn that language

I'd like to add to that. Please take it. I've been in this space for a while now too. And I too have started to see my own lineage. And I work in variables, I work in the depths. And there are very specific stories I tell to teach a concept and they are written by me. And sometimes people think they're from the source and I'm like, you're in my lineage and you don't like me and you don't even know you're in my lineage. know, cause as a manifestor, there's some people who will be very just.

naturally repelled by me. And it's funny to see somebody who, let's say, is not a fan of me and they don't even know they're teaching my concept or they're telling my story. And so I get a little smuggy about that, little smug brat. But you're right, it is because what that shows me is like, that really landed in someone. Good. It doesn't matter if they like me because they're going to have an influence and they'll touch people and it's a good story, you know, and I'm very inspired by oral traditions.

Vaness Henry (25:05.46)

And I think that if you have taught something in a way and somebody wants to teach it in another language, it's a pretty high compliment. You know, I work with people all over the world and sometimes there is a language barrier. I also have a teaching background at a college and university level. So I had experienced teaching people who don't speak English as their first language. And how do you convey these marketing concepts? You know, if there's like a language barrier. And I have to say sometimes the language barrier gets me more in my body.

Like, okay, how do I break this down simply? You know, as somebody who's need motivation, what's necessary here, a tone of action underneath. So what are the steps? Let us break this down. What do we gotta do to connect? You know, very fun. And to see something that was originally in your voice spun and woven in another voice, in another language or another way. Yeah, I get very impacted by that. I don't really have the feelings like someone stealing for me. It's like not really, you can't, it's not really, no.

And that happens too. That happens. People will take a girl, I used to have this podcast called Each Other with these four women. And I split the cover in like four and it would always change. And then their podcast or another thing came out in the exact same font, exact same layout, four women. And the human design community was like, wait, what? And so I just went, ha, like, like, you know, like, what are you, come on, what are you doing? Like you can't do the same thing in the same space anyways, whatever. Not to call anybody out, but here we are. So.

I don't even remember who was involved in it, know, so doesn't matter. I don't want to lose sight. I want to redirect back to the hotel now that we're kind of have a little bit more background on who you are. What were some of your favorite moments now at the live event? Because I was able to meet you live. I was able to feel your energy live. That was so exciting. Girl, you give Demi Lovato in person. was like, look, this hair, this Lara Croft braid right now, but like you had this long, wooshy hair. The Leo rising in me was like, hello, I want that.

I want that long hair. Where are the extensions? Yeah, give it to me. Where's the main? But what was some of your favorite moments at the live event? You're there, you're planning this for months, and then you have people there at the site, they're in person. What were some of your favorite moments of this experience?

Eden Carpenter (27:20.6)

Yes, I have never felt so surrounded by my community in person. I've attended events, I've gone and like met a friend here or there, but to have people who I've known from very different corners of my journey. I mean, I Stephanie Burgos 11 years ago when I was in Beachbody and we were in like fitness coaching and it was...

I was a completely different person. met her when I was a teenager. then I met, Lauren was somebody that I've met. Like she's been a tremendous person. She was the one running the mastermind with me and Holly all those years ago. And so like she's been a tremendous person who's been like at very pivotal points in my journey. And then to have like people that I've never met yet. I don't know. It just felt like so much community.

I loved... Wow, she... Yeah. Took a cab with her. Took a cab with her, she sat me down. Yeah.

Yeah, that was me. Whoa. Ja- Well, isn't she-

Eden Carpenter (28:33.07)

Emergency room physician and I got introduced to her through my cousin who was working with Catherine Zanquina who was working with Stephanie who was yeah like in 2016 I would say.

I'm not gonna pretend to know all these names. don't know. This wasn't necessarily my community and there's some people that I do know, but I was also introduced to some people like Dr. Stephanie and it was like, you're cool, hurry you out, like, why don't I know everything about you?

She's amazing. She's so fun. But yeah, so I felt really surrounded by my community. I loved, I don't think I've ever felt my triple split thrive so much. I was able to bounce around between all of these different group conversations and just like fully fit in, in every single one. So it'd be like this small group wants to ask a question. This small group needs to talk about something behind the scenes for like,

laundry or setting rides up or decorations or food. So it's like planning things, entertaining just deep conversations with people, one-on-one conversations. I floated around like a butterfly and was just talking to everybody. So I really felt like I was in my element. I would say the thing that just fully sat with me most, my favorite part, was sitting in circles with people.

Me too. Something about the intention setting ceremony, sitting in the rooms with the couches where we're just sitting around an area in the sauna. we were all having. healing sessions in circle. Absolutely incredible. I was going into that event, really like pumping myself up to be in that like hosting energy. I'm going to hold, I'm going to support, I'm going to

Vaness Henry (30:10.057)

healing sessions you

Eden Carpenter (30:29.474)

give, I'm going to host, and I was held so deeply by so many people and I wasn't expecting that. So to be able to, yeah, both receive and give was surprising. What's the teaching in this,

You're going there, you're ready to hold everyone and you're met with everybody's just holding you. You're safe enough that you can come undone. What was that about?

I think that's about true community and how a lot of my relationships, especially in business and in the online world, have been transactional, where it is, I am paying you to listen to me. I'm paying you to care for me. I'm paying you to coach me and to help me. And those haven't necessarily been easy relationships for me to receive and experience outside of a transactional relationship.

think you're saying something important here.

Yeah. I've had to pay for comfort a lot.

Vaness Henry (31:31.118)

You've had to pay for comfort a lot. That's a sentence that feels sad to me, you know? Yeah. I understand this space is like, in essence, it's new. And so it's still in development and it has a lot of potential. There were flaws. And also as somebody who has a personal view in human design, part of what I look at is I'm going to see the imperfections. And only when I see that do I keep looking.

because it's caught my eye because it has incredible potential. And when I was at this site as an experiencer, a bit of a journalist reviewing it, that was a little bit of the angle that I ended up kind of stepping into, which was very fun. Thank you for letting me have this opportunity. I was trying to figure out, is this a hotel? Is this a coworking site? Is this a healing space? It did feel like it was trying to be a lot of things. And so,

I went into it experiencing it differently. There was a moment where I treated it as like an art gallery and I toured it looking at the art because there, we'll talk about the incredible art that was used in the space. But I could feel that it was like, hmm, what does it want to be? And as somebody very transparently, I'm the left angle cross of healing, can't help but be that. When I went there, I felt like I was going to a healing site. When there were, it was all women.

half in Canada, half in America, which I'd like to talk about. And they were coming together often in circle, felt very ancient and very diverse, which I appreciated. There was so much healing that was going on. I left this space so activated and healed and I was deeply empowered by having an opportunity to physically go into an environment where everybody

on some levels spoke the same language. They had a fluency in this human design language, all at varying levels. And the people who were newer to it kind of self-declared. They're like, I've just learned I'm a generator. I don't know anything. So, you know, the people who knew more never actually said anything about human design, which was kind of interesting. Like when they were engaging, I thought that was very curious. So for me, I was really challenged with, you know, my area of work is a little bit, is kind of in health.

Vaness Henry (33:51.682)

which is peculiar and peculiar in that I'm not, I don't have a nursing background like you. grew up in the hospital as a patient, not as a practitioner. And to go and connect with people and I can hear that they're caves or I can hear that they're mountains and they don't know that. Well, how do I, and I can feel what's going on with them. How do I really meaningfully connect with them that I will land with them?

that something could stay with them. And so many people at this event were caves and mountains. And there was just a huge, huge teaching on safety. every time we sat in circle, my energy is kind of activated and set up. I'm very strong and empowered in a circle. And I couldn't help but feel the intense fear of the American women who were in attendance.

So about half of us were Canadian, about half of us were American. The Americans traveled to Canada, to Montreal.

There was a really confronting teaching as an outsider of watching your neighbor suffer. And we have so many teachings in our human culture about love thy neighbor and I am another you. And when you look into the eyes of a human, you're looking at yourself, you know? And it was really hard to hold the American women in their suffering at this time in the world. So many women were

so traumatized and had so much PTSD from what's going on there that a lot of them didn't even realize they were like this. Until they crossed a border and left their soil, they could actually relax enough to cry and be held and to hear other people go, that's not normal. What you think is normal, your children being shot in the schools, your doctors making a business out of your sickness.

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people walking with guns on the street, like it's like no problem. That's not normal everywhere else. And I think it's known, but to then be somewhere like this is the same land. It's just a border between, it's the same land. That was devastating. To see moms trying to figure out how to fucking homeschool because they're terrified to put their babies in school. It was.

devastating to sit and hear that and hear people think that's the only option, it's the only way, it's all, you know, it was, it was devastating. And there was so many times we we were sitting and I just kept feeling this theme of safety and noticing so many people involved in this project are caves or mountains. And you know, these two, these two environments have a relationship together. The cave is in the mountain, the mountain is the cave. We can't escape these. All cave people are going to need to flee sometimes to the mountain.

And all mountain people are gonna sometimes feel like they need to hide in the cave. Like they go together. What was your experience as the American person coming and listening to what I'm saying now, cause I'm sure it make you feel away, leaving America and coming to Canada and noticing the Canadians like, are y'all okay? Cause we are terrified. You're our, share land with you. We share border with you. We are in deep relationship with you.

The neighbor, our neighbor is suffering. My neighbor, are you okay? What came up for you?

I didn't realize the tension and the fear that I'd been holding in my body until I got the distance. That's very mountains of me to need to retreat in order to really understand what's going on. And I'm in a very privileged position where I am extremely white presenting, even though I have a 50 % Hispanic background. didn't know. Yeah. My maiden name is Robles.

Vaness Henry (37:46.862)

What about you?

Vaness Henry (37:51.467)

Tidbit. Thank you for telling me that.

Yeah. But yeah, I am very white presenting. I am married to a very white man with beautiful blue eyes. And so we are in a country where like we've talked about it is not safe for us to start a family in the current state that we're in because I'm considered high risk for pregnancy as somebody who has Ehlers-Danlos and who's had a previous ruptured ectopic pregnancy.

You talked about your podcast episode about the experience, which I want to link. You really shared a lot of your story on the Energetics of Everything podcast. Loved that. Sorry, please do go on.

Yeah, don't, I don't want to plug. Yeah. no, you shouted my podcast out.

Yeah

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I'll link it, I'll link it. Yeah, anyways, please do go on.

Yeah. But yeah, we've talked about with current laws that have been overturned, it is logically not safe for us to pursue starting a family in this current state. There's different areas of the country that we've been looking at, but we are thinking about changing location. We're thinking about moving. We're thinking about a lot of things. There have been ice raids in our town. There's been

So much going on just in our backyard and we are we're going to protests on weekends like we've been to multiple protests at the Capitol We're leaving our phones at home. We're doing a lot of different things. It's very weird to be online working Sharing human design information talking about nervous system regulation and then to leave the country and to realize oh

you've been in a fight or flight state for the last year.

I really felt this. It really stayed with me and I've been very unplugged since that. just from like the, the wider community, because I was so devastated to see so many people I care about, like in this, like, and then I fell in love with more and more people that I met there. And it's like, this makes us sick. Like we're sick here. And just because I'm on this side of the border doesn't mean I'm not infected by what's happening on our shared land.

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You and this fight or flight that we don't, you know, well, you have a medical background. Like, what do we need to know about that? Why, why is that happening to us?

Well, the unconscious mind is taking in data that it perceives as a threat and as important. Anything that we label as important gets fight or flight, life or death level energetic responses. And so our brains are waking up and we are seeing everything as a threat. We're going to the grocery store and we're on edge. It's like, okay.

just in case somebody has a gun, just in case there's an ice raid, just in case something is going on in the grocery store across the street. And it's so unconscious that we're not thinking this. Your brain is thinking, I need to get butter. I need to get eggs. need the broccoli from this side of the store. And unconsciously, your body is seeing an older white man walk by out of the corner of your eye and it's

jumping just to make sure that isn't somebody who could potentially be threatening you. So when your body is constantly aroused, when it's constantly in this activated state, it's using way more and it's producing way more energy than you need. And so it's essentially it's adrenaline, it's fear, it's cortisol. When your body is in this fight or flight state, it's a lot of energy. It's physically.

giving you the energy that you would need in order to get away from a threat. The thing is, not everything that we are currently surrounded by is a threat. And so it's giving us, it's like, we're drinking cold brew concentrate 24 seven, and then we're shaky and nervous. I'm like, why do I feel anxious? Because your body is producing this energy. It says, hey, you might need this, you might need this, you might need this. Without the release,

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without the action, without the, this is a threat, I ran away from the tiger, and then the shaking it off, the energy is just bubbling unconsciously, and everybody, like that's why everyone feels so high-strung, is because, how could you not? Your body is saying, you need energy to get away from the threat, here you go, here you go, here you go, you have.

How could you not?

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all of the energy in the world, but there is no threat. So there's no release. There's no direction of that anxious energy. Is this absolutely true?

It sounds like there is a threat. sounds like I could technically go to the grocery store and someone could... I could look at someone wrong, so you know...

there's the potential of a threat in most of our daily lives. Like the potential is very real. And on a daily basis, my body is giving me the energy to fight off an armed shooter in the grocery store. But because there isn't one, I'm just living with that excess energy without the, I did something with it. I released it. So that's why like the

rest levels are so high and when your body is, it has that excess energy, starts to, it's toxic, it's deteriorating your organs, it's harming your blood cells, it's harming your heart, it's harming you. It's killing you.

When I heard you exhale like that, that was what the hotel felt like. I felt like women came and exhaled. And there was even a time when we were in circle, an opening ceremony where we all kind of had an amulet we were holding and passing just to kind of open things up. And it felt ancient and everybody was breathing. And I was like, whoa, spirits and ancestors are here. This is intense. Everything you just said, that's fucked up. That's fucked up.

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And I know as a Canadian, I don't usually talk about Canada and the US. Cause I don't, yeah, anyways, doesn't matter. Yeah. There's an aspect of personifying these characters where we were sort of positioned as your dumb, simple cousin, you know? And Americans used to love to like tease us and we live in igloos. A, you guys are all, you know? And even though, you know, all right, you can talk to us like that.

It came up. It's relevant right now.

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We will help when you're hurting. You're our only neighbor and we protect the true north and anything that could come through here. And while you also share a line with Mexico, this is all Turtle Island. It's all one land. And if you're hurting, we're hurting. And even though they want, the governments may want to put rules and borders and distance between us, you're still our neighbor. You're always going to be our neighbor.

You know, and I can't fucking speak for Canada, but I can be a human being, you know. That was hard. This conversation of safety, I want to go into a little bit deeper topic around that because to me, this was a healing site. And I think the space is still trying to figure out what it wants to be. And we can have these sites everywhere, but some things going on very deep that need to be addressed. The most.

beautiful part of this space I had shared earlier with the people who filled it. And that was these activators that you guys found. And they were essentially creators who were invited into the space to put their touch in the rooms. You know, there's going to be different rooms with different sort of themes I gathered. I didn't know what to expect. And each room was kind of designed by someone.

And then they were kind of all there when we were at this gathering, we were kind of able to interact with them. And I kind of went to this trip with Jazz, a very common collaborator of mine, and she really ended up connecting with the woman who had decorated her room. And she didn't even know that. It was so cool to like watch her kind of go through that. And I did kind of say to your entire team on a human level, I'm coming here with my friend. My friend has just been through some traumas in America and Jazz has kind of publicly said on some other things we've done that.

her and her kids and her husband were held at gunpoint. And she, I was at a different country when this happened. And so I very much said to everyone kind of on the staff, I'm here as a journalist and as a human, my friend went through something and my priority is to be checking on her. And if she doesn't wanna go to dinner, I'm not gonna go to dinner. I'm 70 % there. And I was surprised that when she got there, she, cause she's closed vision, like you closed inner vision, closed taste person.

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She opened right up. And I've never seen her do that. And we've been in person multiple times. And she opened right up. And if you'd indulge me to talk about her brilliance for a second, and if we could be two six lines for a moment, because she put you into experiment. And I feel like she showed us that when we gather in these spaces like this, there are very, very real human design experiments that could go on.

And she has this teaching of the sacral surrender. I'm not a sacral being, okay? So I'm there like, what is going on? And when we were in circle in the opening ceremony that I had talked about with you, she, using her incredible abilities, put her energy into everyone's guts and had their life force. And she was speaking and the whole room went, mm. I was like, what is happening? I'm like,

Whoa, S.A.A.A. like that. I don't know if you noticed, I was always narrating for the S.A.A.A. Whenever there was a S.A.A.A. Girl sound, would go, they don't like, she doesn't like that. My queen doesn't like that. She'd get, you know, she'd be like, mm, mm, And I was just there like yapping for her. That was powerful to witness her be able to go grab the life force of people around her and be like, ask them a question and they can't lie to her, you know?

And so when we kind of all broke off into our smaller circles to have like integration, which was so meaningful to have time and space to just go be with each other. We had all kind of gathered in this room and she was, I was able to really watch her brilliance come online. And I care for her deeply as a dear friend of mine. And she was talking to you and Jess, love Jess, Jess on your team. Hi Jess. Love Jess.

Jess will be listening to this. She wants the tea. You know her.

Vaness Henry (49:04.906)

And well, well, I witnessed Jazz talk to you two as sacred girls who know human design, and she was able to help you embody more sacred power. Whoa. What was that like for you as a sacred being to have this witch come in and this powerful sorceress, enchantress energy come in and go, mm-mm. Like she thinks she has a quiet sacred. That's the loudest sacred I've ever heard. What was it like?

For someone, you know what a sacral sound is. I know you're an emotional authority person and you have your waves. What was that like to be put into embodiment practice like that by her?

It was incredible to realize that I have intellectualized so much of this that there's still a layer of actually you need to not think about it. You need to just be in your body.

Be in your body with people who understand. Sorry, go on.

Yeah, I also think it was extra powerful for both Jess and I because we both have the 34 as our conscious son. So not just is like sacral energy isn't just overall our authority. It's not just overall our design. It's 70 % of our personality. It's our life's work is in that sacral energy.

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that gate in that placement for anybody who's like, she sounds like a robot. Those two sort of spit out their numbers. What does that mean to you that you and Jess both have that feature?

Yeah, gate 34 is a gate in the sacral center and it's one of the gates that connects to not just one but multiple different potential gates. So cool. So it can connect to the spleen, the G center, the throat center. So for both Jess and I, we have it connecting to the throat center, which means it's not just a sacral response. It's the only manifesting generator channel.

It's the channel connecting a generated response of, need to respond to something, but we're going to respond with action. We're going to respond with initiation. We're going to respond by starting something new and finishing it. So it's the gate of power. If you really look at gate 34 in its shadow, it's the energy of force. It says, I'm going to push for the sake of pushing. And when we're in our heads with gate 20,

we're worried about superficiality. We're like, how does this look? I will force myself to do this so that it looks a certain way. I will force myself to hold back on this because I don't want to be, I don't want to look like I'm too much. So there's this force that we don't always recognize we're applying to ourselves. And so to realize that I was in my head for a lot of the decisions I was thinking through, I was using my logic to

make decisions. And I was almost excusing that. like, I'm going to think it through. I'm going to feel it through. I'm going to ride my emotional wave. But my gut responses were saying, no, I don't have the power to do that. No, I'm going to have to force myself to get that done if I want it to look that way. And so there was, it was so powerful to really witness like jazz is magic. Jazz is magic. Yeah. Jazz, jazz. Yes.

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Her names are so close.

all the J's. It was really powerful to see it in practice. Something else that was interesting was there were certain bits of information that were presented from you and from Jazz to Jess about homeschooling and parenting and kids that I've been like hesitant to say, I think you should do this because as her sister-in-law, don't want to feel like I'm- Overstep. don't want to- Yeah, I don't want to overstep. I never want to say-

Right?

me as the childless aunt, I should be telling you how to raise your kids. Very fair. Because I know their human design, but she was very open to receiving information from you. And then I was like, oh, that's right. Like, I thought that would work. I thought that was the right idea. I thought that's what she needed. I thought that's what this child would do well with. But there was like a hesitation of mine to overstep. And Jess was so, you could see her, she's

completely reformed her entire homeschooling plan with her kids. We have reached out, she hasn't reached back. I need her phone number rather than box her. I'll get that from you.

Vaness Henry (53:36.034)

Did she contact Canton?

Vaness Henry (53:45.503)

If you don't have her number, like, know it's so, yeah. But she really has brilliant teachings on that too.

Yeah, so they will connect. But yeah, it was really beautiful to see even the 3420 specifically with this channel. It is a channel that knows a lot of information in retrospect, but it lacks self-awareness in the present moment. So this has been a challenging lesson to learn with the 3420 is it wants to know, especially with that being like where my third to sixth line

shift has happened is I need to experiment and figure it out and just do it the first time. And then on the other side, I will figure out, okay, that went well, that didn't. But I don't have a lot of awareness of like what I'm doing in the moment. So it's like, I don't know, I'm, I don't know what I'm doing, but I know how to do it.

Okay, well, I'm gonna wanna hear about like the practical in the moment, what it felt like, but there's, wanna tell you this incredible moment that stood out for me when we were sitting in small intimate circle and Jazz has you by the guts, can't, she sees right through you as an inner vision person and she's having you respond and she calls out, she goes, I'm like, she's like, you're responding right here. You're not responding here. And you went, well.

Was that? What was she speaking to? What did she feel? What happened in you? Because there seemed to be a flash of acknowledgement or something. You know, like you were like, I don't know. Like there was a cool click and I was just there like, this movie designed just for me. Wow. You know, what happened there? What happened there for you?

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Popcorn.

Eden Carpenter (55:32.718)

Yeah. So there is, I have judgment sense. I have a lot of judgment energy everywhere. Channel of judgment. I have three planetary placements in 17 and two in 62. five activations in the 1762. Very opinionated.

And so be who you are.

Yeah, I have to be who I am. sense of judgment, sense of perfect timing will have these flashes of awareness where I hold myself back. So it's this, I will see myself like getting lost in the communication and the charisma, just really fully being in that moment. And then there's this trauma response, as I've realized, where I pull myself out. And so

Previously, something that really came alive for me in those conversations with Jazz was recognizing that there were moments where I was just taking up stage, I was just being myself, I was entertaining, I was having fun. I was in that just sacral pleasure. And it was responded to with like yelling or anger or it was like told like, that's not safe, you're not supposed to do that. How could you let it go that far?

you're being unsafe, play things as a child. But it was like me getting lost in the fun led to, this actually safe? Is this actually something I'm supposed to be doing? Is this harming other people? Is this the wrong timing for everyone? Am I being loud in a quiet space? So was kind of situations like that, like a story, specific memory is.

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having fun and playing in a library and then getting yelled at for it. This is a quiet space. You're, you're interrupting other people. So getting lost in that just sacral pleasure led to another shoe dropping or getting in trouble. And so a part of my brain started to figure out, if pleasure and joy and satisfaction is getting to a certain point, if you're getting too lost in just the excitement,

it has this awareness monitor. So I will monitor myself and be able to recognize like, oh, you're having a lot of fun. Is anyone watching? Are you interrupting people? Do you need to calm down? And so it's this filter that I have and this trauma response that I have of pulling myself down when I'm getting too excited about something. And then there's also my 1762 channel will like override

that sacral response of like, yes, that may be your reaction, but let me analyze the facts. Let me analyze the information. So sometimes my brain works too, like my brain is working faster than my sacral responses sometimes. So I'll have that response and then I'm judging it and analyzing it and being like, is this actually a response? Is this a safe response? Can you have this response? And I'm policing myself. So I realized that.

Let's stay here for a moment then. Let's stay here for a moment because when I went and listened to your sort of confessional podcast that you released, you did declare you were homeschooled till you were 17. That was interesting information. There was some financial struggles and then there was aspects of being poor because there were so many kids. There's eight children in your family and your family's narrative that came from the church was you're so blessed to have so many children. I can only imagine what

You

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happened with your mother around that. And with so many children, you being the oldest daughter also expressed there was neglect. And I heard you tell a story that you weren't always bathed, didn't always know how to clean yourself, maybe expected to know how to teach yourself that. When you were diagnosed with celiac disease, the family did not adjust to help you nourish. You were responsible for figuring out food on your own before you even had a teaching of food that told me she's never been taught how to feed herself.

basic teaching. I heard your needs were not being met. And now I hear you as an adult, self-policing and self-control, I don't get in trouble, nothing bad, is complete trauma response. And I feel like I witnessed my friend. Fear motivation with a judgment sense. And you know, I felt my friend have you by the guts. This is not something that you can learn in theory. These spaces are essential to have these embodiment practices.

of judgment.

Vaness Henry (01:00:15.028)

And that experiment I was not able to participate in. I was only able to be an observer in and it had such an impact on me. And to see you, mm, mm, your sacral getting louder in real time was holy. And to see you processing in real time, holy, to realize you aren't always set up to process, devastating.

So there were these incredibly special healing moments. When we were in circle and the amulet came to me, I mentioned there was a fly in the room and the fly was buzzing around and the fly omen is something's rotten here. Ooh, nobody liked that. Everybody was like, fucking manifestor comes telling us we're rotten. Everybody wanted to then quickly get up and kill the fly. And I said, let's just watch, like, let's just notice where it lands.

And throughout the event, you know, the fly landed on my knee and Jazz's knee, the knee represents pride. And we were like, we were looking at each other, rotten pride, you know, and it became a kind of little, a little joke between us. But there was something deeper in this experience that I do want to talk about. I think we can both agree that we recognize there's parts in our experience where we've been taken advantage of. And I also think we can both agree that

creators should never be taken advantage of. So when I was going through the space and I found out there were these activators who had decorated these rooms, I was disappointed to find out they weren't paid for their creative labor or more importantly their creative vision to imagine what this space could be, but that they were given like a mentorship or they were like given something free in exchange and this is like this influencer culture. It's like hey come promote my business and I'll give you my thing for free. I've been a part of that.

Like, come over here and I'll give you this. I'm not like actually exchanging money with you. That told me, okay, this space isn't actually a healing site. It's like, it wants to make money. You know, it's a hotel, wants to make money. And like, that's where we are. Like, I get it. And also, there's such potential here, you know? So once I found out, know, I would like if these artists were kind of, these artists should be paid.

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Especially like I toured this one space. There was this artist, Margaret, who's on such an interest. She was on such a level that I went through the space as an ego manifestor and I see this incredible pink piece of art in the room. And I was like, I want this, I want this in my house. I love this. And there was nothing there that allowed me to learn more about her or buy it from her. So I felt like, are we really supporting the artists if we didn't pay them? We're not even letting me buy the art. And I talked to the artists about that. I was like, Hey, like

And a lot of them were just happy to be there. And I felt like they were being taken advantage of in that way. And yet here they are, it's a safe space. you know, that was there. That was there. I was also asked to be a teacher at this. And when I came, I was like, am I invoicing in Canadian funds or US funds? I was like, we're actually just going to split the profits. And I was then like, hold on. I don't do that because I've done that so many times. And if I don't feel proud of

If I'm not paid, I don't feel proud. I kind of go into it like, And as soon as I have to split it with everyone, I don't know how much I'm going to make. I'm always disappointed because we never make as, you know, nobody's really proud and promoting it properly. So it doesn't get the attention it could get that if we were, it was just set up. The irony is it would just explode and do so well. So.

As somebody who kind of, you know, ego being goes through this journey of values and worth, I see over and over that the reason we take advantage of each other is because we haven't realized where we're being taken advantage of. And so we just think it's normal. You know, the most as a white woman, the most dangerous person to me is the white man. And that's who I like in theory sleep next to. You know, and he in this.

analysis is taking advantage of me in these different ways and I'm close to him and so I'm doing the same things he's doing. So at the root of things, I still had this most incredible time, but the people that were special were these activators, were these teachers, they made the whole event and I wanted to see them treated right. That told me you're probably being taken advantage of somewhere. I don't like that because I know this whole thing doesn't work without you.

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I know we need the human design expert there, but also it made me think of the hotelier, like the hotelier, the people on top. Are they being taken advantage of somewhere? These are women in business playing a man's game, you know, what are we doing on deep levels and how can we be better? Because people want to be congregating now. And I don't know that it's around religion anymore. I do think it is around awareness.

And I think that leads to healing. And I'm so invested in that. I want to see more of that. I will be watching whatever this is going to transform into or whatever you decide to do with this, because you're such a key player in this. You're going on the roof now. When I say all this, I know that it might be, God, I know. Tell me what you see in that. Like I can make these opinions because I'm not part of it. And I'm there kind of watching and I know you're in it. And I know we agree that the creator should be paid and the creator should be respected. So how can we make this happen here?

Like, what can we do to treat everyone the way they deserve?

Big question. And my favorite question.

Yeah, it was reassuring to feel like my opinions were resonant with other people as well, because when we brought in these activators, I've never been a part of a cohort like this before. And so I know that it is, one, it's temporary, and two, the art got installed the Saturday before everybody got there. So art was up for four days.

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before people got there. It was very recent.

Art is incredible. Whoever's idea that was, that's why I'm making a point about this because that was so powerful to find out there wasn't, to me, a fair exchange was disappointing because that breathed life into the space in an incredible way.

Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, my 4037 needs to make it fair. And so that when I was feeling through that, like the exchange of like they have brought so much to the space. I only saw half of it finished in construction last year, but to go in and I saw it for the first time, the art truly brought it to life. Being in the different rooms, it was absolutely incredible.

incredible to see that come to life the way that it did. And I've been navigating this from afar. So they have been receiving human design education, one-on-one sessions with me. There has been an energetic exchange.

You're doing a lot. You are doing a lot. I'm wondering though, what the hotelier is doing. I hear you that you're training them and you're giving a lot, the hotel, makes the hotelier money. So they should be, first of you would be being paid for that. And also is that enough Eden? Is it enough to give them, to give the influencer free things and not pay them for their creative?

labor and creative vision? I don't think it is. I don't think it is enough. I think I know how incredible that art was that was in there. And I know those women's stories made the event. And I know people are environment. And that's what sets the tone of the environment. And look, we had some beautiful meals and beautiful dinners. So I know there's a budget.

You know, and it almost made the meals not as great because I knew that we were spending this money on these fancy meals and yet these people who made the whole space. I didn't love that. I didn't love that. Love the tiny cakes though. I tell you, I love the tiny cakes. So, so there's so much potential here. There's so much potential. We can do better. And there's so much potential.

Vaness Henry (01:08:58.316)

The people you guys are connected to and you found were incredible. I know we're gonna start seeing more spaces like this. You should have seen the people reaching out to me. What was it like? What's it like? What's, you know, because everybody has an expectation of what a human design hotel would be, would look like. Let's say you did this again. Let's say you started over and you started from scratch. What would you do differently?

The room layout specifically, we wanted to go with energy centers and yes, that works. It really clearly has a left brain and a right brain. Passive environment styles and active environment style.

I'm jumping in. The building has an R and an L on the outside of the building. So you know what side, where to go. Cause I was in the passive suite. Like I was in the passive part of the building, loved it. The decor was so gorgeous, loved everything. Great energy in there, but it was called the L. And I was like, what? And then, so, know, as I did, as I did a little bit of digging, it was because the space is called raw Leah and the raw side is over here and the Leah side is over here.

But if you're selling to the human design community, right and left means something. So I went into the wrong room so many times and all of a I'm like walking in someone's suite and I was like, my God, I felt so silly and stupid. And then I'm out on the street, there's only two doors and I can't figure out which door to go in. That's why the human design expert is needed.

will be changing. That is, that is changing.

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so stupid. Be like, why don't I know where I am? But that's just, that's just why your role is so essential in a collaboration like this, in my opinion, because if you're selling to a human design community, that's how the human design community is going to see it they're going to get lost and there's only two doors.

Yeah, it is because it's like the raw side raw is like the masculine energy and Leah as the outside but they are set up as the side that's labeled L which is on the right side of the building is the more passive in style. No.

But even just psychologically, right, left. Like, you know, there's a way you're going to look at things. Like, this is the right side, this is the left side. okay. I know. I know that we're it multiple times. No, you didn't. Listen to the human design expert that you hire. Okay. Okay, so we would adjust some layout.

We'll be switching those. We will. There's a few things that are going to be switched.

But we can't use these things, that's why we have people in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eden Carpenter (01:11:38.854)

We had to test it. had to do a trial run. The next thing would be, so one, like labeling the rooms differently, specifically according to environment styles. isn't a possibility to do all of them because we have 10 bedrooms. There's 12 environment styles.

Okay, but hold on. Hold on. You're doing it again, so maybe you'd have 12 rooms. Right? Maybe that's how you would, you would do it. I'm just, yeah, we're just speaking like Ideal world. Yeah, ideal-

Intervision, I do, world got it.

your mountain.

So in my mountain, yes, I would do at least 12 rooms. I would have the active environment styles, the passive environment styles, labeling it very similar to like the floors with the one through six where first line is very like foundational, it's caves. I would add in the same color line tone number. like,

Eden Carpenter (01:12:40.398)

caves rooms would also be related to the sense of smell, the sense of security, the sense of like all of that energy, even like consecutive appetite, that would all be related to first line energy. So ideally it would be six floors, half of it is passive, half of it is active, caves, first line energy, second line taste energy, third line saunas, heat, cold, anything like that for the third.

like juice bar, something like that on the third floor.

I love that also to jump in with that heat and thing. The business deals happening in the sauna, like five hours in the sauna, I loved that. was just, me and Jess, I was like, when are we getting in the sauna? My girl Jazz doesn't always love a toiletry, toileting, whatever, what do call that? What's the L word?

Uh-uh.

I don't know, is that what it is? I don't know. you know, where there's, she doesn't always love that, so I was like, well, I'm going, I am going. And then when everybody kind of gathered in there, again, a tiny gathering healing site, also one of my favorite experiences to be sit in community, intimate, real feel each other. love it.

Eden Carpenter (01:13:54.766)

loved us all bringing in like eight plastic water bottles.

We're the girls hydrated. We're going the girls hydrated if you're going to stay in here. So I just want to say I love your vision on that, on how you would lay out. Six floors would be ideal. I know we don't always have the ideals, but talking about them is fun to hear what's available. I love the idea of setting it up with these foundational smell caves and kind of going through that whole spectrum rainbow of things. That sounds amazing. Love that. What else would you do?

Right, like Eden, this is part of the six line experience. Like third line goes in and tries the things. And part of where all the power for me has come alive is then trying again. Cause now I know some shit and now how would I do it? Cause you do have to kind of like do it and it's messy and that never goes away. Once a six line, once a third line, always a third line. Like, know, like we're all, we always have that kind of trial and error thing, but there is, it becomes fun when you're like, how would I do it now? How would I do it again? And I expect.

you if you enjoyed this experience and you love it, that you could really have fun with this. You could really create that powerful ripple effect that really resonates with you in your work to create these landmarks on our planet where we can come and have these restorative, deeply meaningful embodiment experiences. I've been so moved by my experience here, so activated. If I could be...

I could talk about profit centers for a tiny moment, a triggering topic in the human design space. You selling through your undefined head and undefined G center, the way that impacted me, I was so inspired when I left, I had a renewed sense of direction. You allowed me to touch you, you know, you know, when we left, I'm like, I'd love to embrace you. And you're like, know, an opportunity to hold the neighbor when the neighbor is suffering a gift. Thank you.

Eden Carpenter (01:15:44.856)

Fuck, okay.

Vaness Henry (01:15:52.11)

You're being so graceful and gracious and letting me be kind of hard and firm on you on some of the things that I did see that we do need to talk about because we're in an awareness study. So may we be aware? You've told me of the vision on how what you could do with this space and the right connections and like, I was so impressed with what you did. I was so impressed with how kind you are in real life. You're running around like.

She cut her head cut off a couple of times doing the most. And I was like, why is this girl doing the most? She has done, you know, and this whole team, the team at Raleigh, incredible women. Activators were incredible. The teachers were incredible. Everybody you guys found just were on another level. And that was a huge mountain teaching for me as the experiencer. You got, on a personal level, I got to set up and be embodied as well, you know?

I'm realizing I need to be in person more. So I was very inspired by this event, like looking into 2026, you do I want to start touring in person and going to these places to, you know, teach this incredibly life-changing healing art? I don't know that I would go to Raleigh to do a retreat and to book all the rooms. I might want to stay there and it's great, but I would kind of go for like a bachelorette girls weekend if I was doing that, but I am, I would.

I was really listening when you were saying this community center, this gathering site can fill a hundred people, 75 probably comfortably. So as the business mind, was like, I would do an event here four or five hours. I would book a space. I would probably try to aim to 65 people. You know, how much money would I make on that to pay for the site, pay for my team to get out there? The point isn't to make the most money, but I don't want to claim a loss, you know? And the facility is gorgeous. You know, I could really see myself using the space in that way.

of picking cities to go to, to do these in-person, activating, educational, healing art type of experiences. I would love an opportunity to do that. Love Montreal. But I don't know that that's available to me because I wasn't sure what the space wanted to be. I didn't know if it was a hotel. I didn't know if it was a coworking site. I know that there was, there's a restaurant or a cafe attached. It feels like it is still being born.

Vaness Henry (01:18:15.128)

So I'm very excited to watch what it becomes and what you do with it.

It has an undefined G center.

Eden. yeah. What a name. One of my favorite teachings of yours, I don't know if you were the originator of this, you'll tell me, but you were one of the first people I saw that was like, create a design for the entity. Create a design for your business. I love this teaching. I use this teaching of yours everywhere.

When I do a new show, when I make a new art form, I run a chart for it. I call it Eden's teaching. I say that, take Eden's teaching, run a chart. What is Eden's teaching? What is this thing that I'm talking about? Can you explain this please?

Yes. So my teaching with my Undefined G Center, I have always felt like specific dates have an identity. And so I've actually done this with like traumatic events as well. So one of the main times I did this was I ran a chart for the day and the time of my ectopic pregnancy to figure out the exact energetics of that trauma that I

Eden Carpenter (01:19:26.42)

internalized. like how did that experience impact and land what gates would it have landed in in my design? So I've done it with traumas, I've done it with relationships, I've done it with businesses and even programs. So with my Undefined G Center, I was always figuring out like how do I brand something? What is my brand? What is my business? How do I, how do I convey this in a simple way that's not just

I teach human design. Like how do I do it my way? And so I've spent an insane amount of money on branding and figuring that out and realized, I will just keep investing in this and there's no actual final answer. Got it. So I wanted to figure out like what's a micro brand for, I wanted to figure out like how do I brand each of my programs? And so I said, I'm gonna run a chart for when the idea hits.

and say, is the human design, this is the design, this is when that idea was born. I think it came about when I was reading Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert. So experimental. Very experimental. She's a manifestor too. I've looked at her design.

mental too like so like

Vaness Henry (01:20:41.814)

reminds me a little bit of this book that I got at the event. LA gave it to me. I call LA Fish, because her last name is Poisson. And looks like Poisson. And she wore a little whale pin. I was like, hey, Fish. I don't know if she liked that, but I did. And she was also a mountains person, and she had this flow about her. I love that. But that just reminds me of the beautiful art and everything. OK, so a cool creation.

Yeah

Eden Carpenter (01:21:03.426)

Very much.

Eden Carpenter (01:21:08.814)

In that book, they talk about how ideas are like entities that come to you. And with my Undefined Head Center, I'm like, I love that idea. It's not me. I don't have an idea. It's not mine. I'm working with it. And so that concept with my inner vision, I was like, OK, what's the design? What's the interaction between me and this idea? So when the idea started to hit me, I'd get those shivers.

Ooh, that's a big idea. I'd look at the time. I'd capture it. Yeah. Touch on the mountain. I started running charts for them and it was brilliant. It's helped me figure out like what is the main message? What's the purpose? What's the identity of each of my different programs? And I can market them more specifically. And yeah, so I run program charts for everything.

I love it. I think it's brilliant. think it's so experimental. It has helped me so much in my work. And I don't know that I've ever had an opportunity to tell you that. I heard of that teaching from you. I put it into practice. I had incredible results. I think this is such a mutative study. like when we, you know, and I just want you to I appreciate that you came up with that.

The ripple effect. My favorite part.

love that. absolutely love that. So just first of all, thank you for letting me come to this experience. Changed my life. They changed my life. Yeah. I was just so moved. I'm hard on it because there's incredible potential and I want to see what this will become. I think you're incredibly exciting to watch and I think you have a hell of a story.

Vaness Henry (01:22:54.926)

I think you have a hell of a story and I can't wait for you to tell us your story in your way as you do that. I mean, you tell it on everything, the Energetics of Everything podcast. Took you an hour and 20 minutes to tell. I was like timestamp, finally started talking about herself and her story. And you did mention that I was kind of pushing you to that, but it's because I think you have a beautiful story. And when I heard your story, I was incredibly moved. And when I see what you're capable of doing, I was so impressed.

briefly.

Vaness Henry (01:23:23.816)

And I just think you're an absolute delight to watch. I really do. So thank you for your work in the world and what you do in the community and these spaces that you create. cannot wait to see the spaces that you create that have this ripple effect that are meaningful to you. And I'm really just privileged that I was able to be included. Thank you.

Thank you for coming. It was so fun to meet you in person. think that was a little bit. Yeah, I was like, oh, someone's gonna like see through my design. You did. Thank you.

I did. it was beautiful. There's so much of your story too, that I looked and I saw myself. And to me, when that happens, it's God looking at God. Hi God. Hi God. Hi creator. I see you. And that can be very disarming. Yeah. And I could totally see how that would be intimidating. And from the same breath, you looked at me sometimes and went, hi God. You know? So I felt it too. And it's like, I'm seen, but it was just...

Wonderful. It really was wonderful. was really an incredible experience. Thank you so much for having me.

Thank you. Thank you for having me, for coming to the hotel and for having me on your show. This was

Vaness Henry (01:24:38.7)

I know, thank you. I would like to come on yours sometimes. I have been on there. But if there is ever a time that I can come hang back out, I would love to.

I was gonna say after this, I'm like, hey, so when are you coming back?

I would love an opportunity. I would love an opportunity. Hey, would love an opportunity. And you and Jess need a show, because y'all are funny. Y'all are fun.

We're hilarious.

Thank you, Eden. Thanks for listening to my latest insight. If you want to get in touch with your inner architecture, you can learn how to read the human design variables with me at beneshenry.com. And you're just getting started with your human design studies, visit the Jovian Archive. And remember, listen to your body.

Vaness Henry

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