No. 30 — New Chapters with Derek Henry
My one and only, Derek Henry, a 6/2 Caves Generator, comes out from behind Six-Two Studio to step in front of the mic. As he sheds insight on our life together, Derek spills what his journey has been like changing gears and careers after going on the roof, post-Saturn Return.
After our recent move to the top of the mountain, we discussed how our environment immediately impacted our wellbeing, from watching the ducks on the lake to creating spaces that support our different learning styles and emotional needs. Finding the right living situation after years of manifesting together brings us into a season of emotional healing — right on time for my 20-year Lymphoma anniversary… all while we navigate parenting a sensitive child through new anxieties as a tween.
We're entering new chapters as individuals, a couple, and a family.
In this InSight, we discuss:
How nature provides both entertainment and healing - bird watching gives us insight into our own patterns
How our different learning styles require different environments
My complex emotions about mortality and purpose upon my cancer survival anniversary
Our journey and experimentation to manifesting a lake lifestyle together
Parenting an anxious child with empathic tendencies
Finding direction in mid-life by balancing past experiences with new possibilities
How Human Design concepts have helped Derek understand his natural tendencies and needs
Plus a moment for British Columbia's natural healing, meditative environment
Here's Derek’s Human Design Colour Palette:
DEREK HENRY
Design Type: 6/2 PURE GENERATOR
Colour Palette: Sound / Caves / Personal / Guilt
Find Derek’s work at:
six-two.studio
@derekjohenry
Vaness Henry: 0:03
It's Vaness Henry, you're listening to Insights, my private podcast, exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight. Special guest coming on to insights today, Derek Henry. Welcome to the show.
Derek Henry: 0:25
Thank you, thanks for having me.
Vaness Henry: 0:27
It's nice to have you on this side of the sound instead of on the other side, because you edit every podcast that I do and hear every conversation that I have, hear every silly thing that I say about you.
Vaness Henry: 0:41
This is largely how you have taken in human design and this is largely how you've learned human design. You were part of a storyline when I started in this study like about a decade ago now, where the partner was like what the fuck are you talking about? You're saying all these words that are like bonkers. I have no idea what you're saying. And now I feel like hawk understands he's a caves boy. You guys know how to listen to your gut. You know what a sacral sound is. How do you feel?
Derek Henry: 1:16
yeah
Vaness Henry: 1:16
how do you feel about human design now where, and that you work in it so intimately?
Derek Henry: 1:21
uh, it's interesting for sure. How do I feel about human design?
Vaness Henry: 1:26
Wait, babe, you're okay, but I've got to find my language with you here. Der, Der?
Derek Henry: 1:30
yeah, yeah
Vaness Henry: 1:31
You're a low sound person, so dumping all this information, that's not how you explain, like what's a light, easy way to explain as a low sound, so I just want to keep that in mind. So what are some things you've learned about yourself from from human design?
Derek Henry: 1:50
Um, that I'm caves. I like to have my back to the wall or in a corner. I like to be able to see the whole room. I know that for sure. I've always known that my entire life. Yeah, that's always felt best. I don't like anyone being able to sneak up behind me
Vaness Henry: 2:04
so you're, just jumping in. You've said you always knew that. I always felt that. How does it feel when I come and say to you hey, you're a caves person and this is what's good for caves. Do you feel like seen or like yeah? like what's on in you?
Derek Henry: 2:17
Yeah, it's like recognition, I guess. Yeah, feel like, oh okay, I've just been living properly.
Vaness Henry: 2:23
No, I'm right.
Derek Henry: 2:25
Yeah, confirmation, I guess that I've been aligned
Vaness Henry: 2:28
and you probably see how some people are really not like that as well
Derek Henry: 2:31
yeah, I do
Vaness Henry: 2:33
and you can't understand it. Hey, it's like how could they? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are some? What's some of the things you've learned about yourself. I love that you said caves. A lot of my work is in environments. That makes me feel good
Derek Henry: 2:44
yeah, that's the most stuff I hear about, so that's where most of my knowledge comes from. Yeah, I just kind of learned it all peripherally through you. Sorry, what's the question?
Vaness Henry: 2:57
That's fine. If I could, I'm going to jump in because I'm looking at your, your design, and when I look at your perspective, variable. This is the way your mind works. It's the way you perceive reality. You're passive, you are peripheral. You do learn best when you're taking it in through osmosis, when it comes directly at you like that, like you're three parts right and that means that's not really.
Derek Henry: 3:21
I hate that.
Vaness Henry: 3:22
Yeah, and something that you and I've been talking about a lot on your journey on the roof you've been, you're like, comfortable on the roof n ow, you are a six line in this part of your process where you're detached from the life that you started before. Things are different. We've been here for a bit and you and I always talk about you going to school and because you started going to school right out of high school. You went to college, didn't like it, dropped out, started working right away, ground up, bought that business, ran that business. Have all this experience, then decided you're breaking up with that, went on the roof at that point became a stay at home dad, and now you can kind of go do whatever you want. You know you have the time, you have the money and we're kind of like well, what do you want to do? And we often come up to this conversation of well, going into some type of education around sound production and because you're working in that right now, you know, since the 2020s, I had a background in sound. We were home together, we started making art. Here's how I do it. We just kind of fell into this rhythm. Now we produce shows together and I think, because we're in that, we talk a lot about you going to school and investing in that.
Vaness Henry: 4:34
But then I had a dream. I had a dream that we were on the golf course, you were driving and performing in some tournament and everybody was cheering around you and you turned to me and touched my leg and we're like I don't want to go to school, I just want to go play golf. And so I come tell you this dream and you're like well, about school. So so can you tell me about this from your perspective? There's been a talk about going to school. I don't know if that's something you think you should do. If there's a societal pressure coming from that, I don't think you need that. But if you're like that would be fun, I'm like all fucking, all power to you. But I also. I'm like don't go pour your heart and soul into something if you don't really want to. You know? So what goes on with you when I say all this?
Derek Henry: 5:21
I think there's like a desire to have some direction right now in life, and my two, I guess, going back to like I don't know, maybe like my teenage years, my two like, if you would ask me what I wanted to do when I was older, would have been either play sports, sports management or music production. So I could have like either of those three things. Those are still like my two biggest interests is sports and music production. So, yeah, ideally or originally, I thought I guess that production, podcast production could lead into music production, could lead into what I actually wanted to do, as you know my teenage, which was either sports or music production.
Vaness Henry: 6:04
So make music or play sports or be in the world of sound or in the world of sports Really.
Derek Henry: 6:11
Yeah, yeah, just be in either industry, anywhere.
Vaness Henry: 6:15
So you are finishing high school. It's now the time to invest in further education, if you choose to do that. So do you go into sports or sound?
Derek Henry: 6:23
Neither
Vaness Henry: 6:24
why. Why don't you go into either of those?
Derek Henry: 6:26
because I had a good opportunity. I also just love making money and love like the business side of sports
Vaness Henry: 6:33
yeah, you're a capricorn
Derek Henry: 6:34
business side of music. So I just like. I also just like business and I like coming up with strategies to grow a business or make money in the business. So my dad had a construction company and I just started working for him out of high school because I wasn't really sure where I wanted to go. I did try a little business course actually out of high school, but I hated the learning environment. I can't learn in a classroom. I never enjoyed it.
Vaness Henry: 7:02
Okay, so can we stay there for a minute? Because you're a caves person and you have a great understanding of what that means. You know how that feels in your body. You kind of know what to look for around you. Now, when I think of a classroom, I think that can be a pretty cavey environment. You know, it's like a secure. It's literally a room. Right, it's a secure space, like I can see how that could work.
Vaness Henry: 7:23
Your undertone influencing your cave is something called caves feeling and these people who have this sense of feeling somewhere in their body our son has this as well in a different spot, but you guys share this you intimately plug into all the energy that comes into that space. So every student who comes in there, how the teacher's feeling you're going to be plugged in and feeling all that the environment of the whole actual school itself, and so if any of that feels risky, dangerous, unfamiliar, unsafe, it's scary. As you're a hermit, I can see how that might be intimidating sometimes. And then a pressure of I don't learn this way because I learn passively and I've got to kind of do things peripherally and be shown, but if you're sitting here teaching me directly, I'm not taking it in, and then it feels like I'm not learning anything, and then I'm insecure.
Derek Henry: 8:19
Yeah, and I'm low sound, so it's like an hour of information. I don't my mind's done after the first 10 minutes.
Vaness Henry: 8:27
But you're interested in all this info. You're interested in the info. What would have been a way for you to learn that information?
Derek Henry: 8:35
Slow
Vaness Henry: 8:36
So what does that look like?
Derek Henry: 8:37
Slow hands-on. Let me sit there, show me what to do, and then let me try to do it, and then let's move on to the next thing. Now, show me a little bit more what to do, and then let me try to do it, and then let's move on to the next thing. Now, show me a little bit more what to do, now let me try to do it. Okay, now I've got that, show me a little more and just keep building on building, building.
Vaness Henry: 8:52
That's what I need to learn I wonder if that is how you learned right, if you then went and shadowed your dad yeah because he had this, he did a bit, showed you, and so you did learn through osmosis. As a fellow role model, hermit, six line person aspect of my learning is like show it to me, let me try it. And then I always kind of need like a second try. It's like, okay, I got it now, let me now try again.
Derek Henry: 9:15
But I do like need to be shown yeah, and I think that's what the construction world gave me is. It's all hands-on, it's all. No one has education, so it's like here you're gonna, I'm gonna show you how to do it, and then you just build from there. Okay, you know that skill. Here's another skill you can learn how to do. Okay, you're good at that. Here's another skill you can learn.
Vaness Henry: 9:34
And eventually just learn all these skills from people showing you how to do it hands-on and you try to do it yourself well, okay, I'm also hearing some other kinds of things go on, like I didn't know what I wanted to do, even though I kind of had a sense, but it sounds like you weren't super encouraged in making a living through sports and sound. Something else going on was you said I don't really know my direction. So I know the kind of field and areas of interest, but I don't necessarily know my direction. It doesn know the kind of field and areas of interest, but I don't necessarily know my direction. It doesn't sound like there was a ton of encouragement in those particular directions.
Vaness Henry: 10:11
Like I remember you as like a really good hockey player and you were known as that. You did have a reputation, so there was like encouragement that way, but I don't know that there was a type of encouragement that was needed to pursue that in the ways that you wanted to, because I think people were just like parents were working, doing their own thing. They had four kids. I do feel like some of your talents weren't called out of you and that does need to happen to permits, because we don't know what we're good at and someone needs to go hey, you're good at that, and we're kind of like, oh, doesn't everybody do this.
Derek Henry: 10:41
Yeah, and they're't Definitely told how good I was at hockey my whole life yeah.
Vaness Henry: 10:45
But if you're interested in business management around sports or you know that side, you weren't really given a direction on how to go after things like that. So you tried one way and then it was like, okay, well, this education style doesn't work for me, so I'm just going to go do this. It sounds like you were learning those skills in a way that worked for you through osmosis, through your dad, but then all of a sudden, 20 years go by and you never go back and go oh, I wanted to do those things, but then all of a sudden they did. 20 years go by. You break up with that. Now you're on the roof and you're thinking back where the fuck did 20 years ago I was wanting to do this, so now it sounds like you've tried one of them.
Vaness Henry: 11:27
I'm going into sound, like part of my work has huge is just sound production, and you really are the production branch of what I do. But because we have more space and time, we also do creative projects for other entrepreneurs, right, and that's like fun, fun things to do. But if you don't want to do that, you don't have to do that, you know so. So how are you feeling now? You've been trying that.
Vaness Henry: 11:49
Yeah, it's, I like it like enough to go get education with it.
Derek Henry: 11:53
I'm not sure.
Vaness Henry: 11:54
Cause it's like what's the point? You already know what you know.
Derek Henry: 11:57
Yeah, and I feel like, whatever I don't know, I just YouTube and then I learn it and then I know it.
Vaness Henry: 12:03
It's my, it's my proper learning style well, just the other night, like hawk was writing a song.
Derek Henry: 12:09
Sorry, go ahead I think I got caught in construction because it was the right environment for me, the right learning environment, low paced.
Vaness Henry: 12:19
And then, all of a sudden, 20 years later, yeah, I'm you're managing, you're overseeing, you're running a company, you're, yeah, which you're attracted to, all those things making money had.
Derek Henry: 12:27
I, let's say, got a job with the local hockey team as like the stick boy straight out of high school or something you know, just like running errands, getting coffee for the GM or something. Then I could have worked my way up that way in sports, yeah, yeah.
Derek Henry: 12:43
but I could not go learn sports business in a classroom and then like, go try to get a job in it and like at a higher level. No, I don't want to come in at the top level. I want to learn the entire industry Grown up. That's how I will be the best at the top level.
Vaness Henry: 13:03
That's how I will be the best at the top level. It's interesting because the company that you ran and what you worked in was literally building structures from the ground up. You were the first person putting the foundational piles in to make sure this building and structure will stand. There is like an omen in that. There is like a larger messaging in that Just the other night Hawk was writing a song.
Vaness Henry: 13:24
He's been big in his feelings, having anxiety lately. These eclipses that we had in the spring really rattled this kid, and part of the way he processes is playing music, and we notice he hasn't been playing music as much. So we put his secondary keyboard in his room again and, sure enough, as soon as it's in his space, he's playing it right away. He ends up writing a song and through him, trying to figure out how to do things. You're immediately in the studio, immediately got the mics out, immediately with the instruments, like you're right there, and then now you're like called in to go learn and find the answer. And what are we doing here? What do we need to know? Okay, you want to record two things at once. How do you're naturally teaching him? Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is that's probably also your way of learning now.
Derek Henry: 14:09
Yeah, probably be teaching or helping him figure it out. Yeah, getting on his level Cause like, yeah, he couldn't figure out how to record two different keyboard tracks, so he was getting frustrated. I'm like, well, let board tracks, so he was getting frustrated. Like well, let's figure it out, let's youtube it. We did and it was easy we first video, we clicked on, gave us our answer and he recorded two tracks.
Vaness Henry: 14:32
Yeah, like, okay, it's fun, you like it, it's you know I love seeing him get so I often wonder derek, like is he gonna do something in sound? And is that why we do what we do? Because we're supposed to expose him to it in some way, because he, you see, he has something special there.
Vaness Henry: 14:48
Hey his ear is unbelievable unbelievable yeah yeah, and and you know it's, it can be hard to train an ear. People usually have that or they don't like they have it. You encourage it. You can train sight readers and you know, but that's something that takes a little bit more time. So when you've got it, you really want to like, like, nurture it, encourage it, call it out in him. Yeah, and I feel like we do a great job doing that, because it's us two, six ones on the roof. Whoa, he's doing something talented. Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's stop here.
Derek Henry: 15:15
Let's look at it. Yeah, and he can locate it on the keyboard, like I could hear it once he plays it, but I can't find. He just knows where to put his. Oh, this, this chord will sound good after.
Vaness Henry: 15:27
That's my exact brain. That's how I taught myself piano, and then my parents put me in piano because I could listen to the song and I could hear it and find the note, and then I would know where the melody is going to go. I wasn't necessarily able to put in chords. I needed to be taught that but, I could find the melody on a on a piano, no problem. And so when he started doing that, it was kind of like a callback.
Derek Henry: 15:46
It was like I know what he's doing because, because that's my brain, I do that and it's kind it was kind of exciting to now realize what was going on when I didn't then, as a person experiencing it, yeah, it was fun watching both of us kind of teach him or show him kind of through that because, like in high school, I wrote a few songs too, like I was never an artist or anything but I did it for fun. And then just yeah, like hearing your advice to him on your the way you wrote songs I know it's your writing style and then the way I came. At the writing style we're just kind of different advice and.
Vaness Henry: 16:25
I would love if you refresh my memory. What did you say? What did I say?
Derek Henry: 16:29
I don't really remember. I know like he recorded the kind of like the chords first, and then I was like, oh right, I started like humming a little melody, I'm like try putting a little melody. And then he just kind of went higher on the keyboard and started playing the same thing.
Vaness Henry: 16:43
Yeah, yeah. So he was learning the layers of the song. Yeah, that was cool.
Derek Henry: 16:47
And then I'm like no, just like mess around with your fingers, Just like hit one key at a time. He still couldn't really figure out. So I just walked over and I hit like three different keys and I don't even know what I was doing. Oh, that sounded good. And then he finally okay, yeah, I could put a melody over top of the chords. Okay, and he started getting it. And then I said something about I think he was wanting to name it or something and you're like well, I do that at this part of my songwriting process, blah blah oh right, like, let let the name come to you, but you could totally start with a name and build a song around that.
Vaness Henry: 17:20
But I was like, yeah, you know, if you don't know right now, just let what comes to you come to you and then the name might. You might give birth to the name kind of later. Just experientially. To go back into that moment, you and him, two cave boys, were in the little media room studio together, a contained room, one door, all the instruments and recording equipment is in there, caves aligned, your caves feeling. There needs to be a vibe and a mood set. This is what we're doing. It's chill. He's caves taste. Do you notice? When he plays piano he makes those little bird faces, those little beaks and I always point it out it's like he's eating, literally what he's doing. And people with that undertone in their cave are always kind of like sampling and getting a little taste of things and they'll sometimes go into spaces where things are very easy and effortless for them and they make all the connections and I see this every time. He goes and does a talent show or something and he plays piano and he entertains the whole audience. I'm like he's in his element here. Okay, so you two are there vibing that.
Vaness Henry: 18:21
I'm in another room, I'm shores just outside the media room, sitting in the living room in front of the fireplace listening to it come out a different way. So we had two totally different, aligned perspectives and my environment sense is called touch. So sometimes I'll pick up on little things and, ooh, I have experience here, here's a little special thing we can add and leave in it. Or, ooh, I got chills with this, like there's just a little. The body will respond in these kinds of excited ways. Okay, two things I want to talk about here. One, hoxley's growing anxiety. Yes, and anxiety is a thing. Kids starting to struggle with anxiety has a totally open head, energetically. And also we've moved recently and we're in a new place now. We even have had a moment. It could come together a moment on that. So where to begin?
Vaness Henry: 19:11
I don't know where to begin um, I think because I think, because hot came up, I'll just kind of stay there with him that the hormones are going to be changing. You know he's starting to really have anxiety. I feel like we're really lucky as parents that he's such a good narrator of his emotions, his mental space like, like he really comes to us, tells us what's going on, what he's feeling, and now he's getting like it's hard to be alive in the world right now. You know this is a pandemic kid. There's wars all over the world. These kids are plugged into things.
Vaness Henry: 19:45
He's a feeling cognition kid and I've we've known this his whole life and I've been watching how this develops in him and I've always kind of said to you like this kid's sensitive, like he's going to feel things, like it's, he's on a different level this way, like we just got to be observant and I have wondered what's going to happen as he matures and the hormones start coming. And you know there's more. There are new challenges that come in life and I do think there's this aspect that we give him a really peaceful, safe home environment. There's not a lot of fighting. We're a calm, chill place. Yeah, you know there isn't sibling fighting, like it's, it's a very calm home and also because of that he's not always put in these positions of confrontation so that he can grow and learn how to do that, and so he's kind of quite repellent when there's any kind of fighting or he does not like. He will not be friends with people if they're that way.
Derek Henry: 20:36
Yeah, he's got to get over that.
Vaness Henry: 20:38
Right and so, but we don't. There's not really opportunities at home, you know. So the opportunities are at school, but I noticed that sometimes he will plug into school and now these all these kids are also their home, hormones are changing and he's feeling everything they feel and he just gets fucking fried sometimes. Totally.
Vaness Henry: 20:55
And then he comes home and he's fried and it seems to be, as he's been getting older, more frequent. His latest thing is fear of death, literally being crushed. My mom was recently out and we were all painting rocks. Because this new community we moved to, the kids paint rocks and kind of leave them on each other's doorsteps. It's very friendly and welcoming and I was like, perfect, we're making rocks is. We've got all these amazing hiking trails. We're going to leave these fun rocks Hawks is going to love it, great.
Vaness Henry: 21:26
While we're painting and my mom's out, there's a spider that's on one of the rocks and Hawksley reacts. My mom misinterprets it as fear and she just quickly reaches out and squishes the bug. Some people think my family's weird. This is really just me. I don't like to kill bugs, any bugs. My kid has adopted this because it's like why is your default just to kill the bug? Just put the bug outside, remove it? I don't know. I don't kill them. God isn't everything. I don't kill them, derrick you bugs. But you've been slightly influenced because our kid cares about this. Now my mom squishes, my mom squishes the bug. The kid's pretty upset.
Vaness Henry: 22:00
There's been a lingering fear of killing, squishing any bug, any creature, any crushing. That's kind of lingered since that. But I got to tell you I was talking to my friend Amy from Australia. She's a fellow feeling cognition person and she was telling me that you know there's some natural disasters going on there and she was really feeling overwhelmed with this kind of almost like a fear for the animals, cause she says a lot of the culture there, you know people will just, you know they abandon their animals, like the priorities get the family out and you know livestock perishes, family pets perish and she says it's so awful like that. She has a really hard time with that. It just was making me think about feeling cognition. People are connected to the emotional plane. Yes.
Vaness Henry: 22:40
So they're connected to people, but of course you'd be connected to creatures as well, and I do think they have a special connection to animals, creatures in a way that not everybody does. My mom notoriously despises creatures, doesn't like pets, doesn't like that, she doesn't like any of that, she markets and she's just scared of everything. So I think there was this little clash here and I think for him it is a bigger deal than we maybe realize. Like I think squishing a bug was really upsetting to him and it was maybe kind of brushed off and now I feel like it's in his head and he can't get it out.
Derek Henry: 23:10
He's, yeah, more empathy than anyone I've ever met, so he feels fully I love this low sound summary.
Vaness Henry: 23:18
Thank you, I was blabbing forever. And you're like yeah, let me just summarize what this bitch was saying really quick. Um, what's your, what's your perspective on that? You're, you're a man. You were a young man like him. What do you think's going on there with him?
Derek Henry: 23:29
I think it's hormones, probably a little bit the age he's at he's turning 10, so it's also hard on himself yeah, he's very hard on himself. That's probably us absolutely right.
Vaness Henry: 23:41
He's a little perfectionist, because we're always like perfectionists, I know yeah I think about that a lot me too. Worry about it, you do it's such a he's such a man.
Derek Henry: 23:55
He makes me want to be better but he'll be great when he's an adult I know.
Vaness Henry: 24:00
But it's heartbreaking to see that. You know, it makes him anxious there because like he wants, he doesn't even want to. He's he's um desire motivation, so he likes to get into things, but then he sometimes loses his way and he will transfer and not even want to try. He's like you know, when he gets like that and it's like, come on, buddy, just put some effort in, I don't even care, I don't even want to try, he's just kind of gotten away from that in the last year or so I feel like I think he's made great improvements too, yeah, but we've been talking to him about that right and helping him recognize that that happens sometimes and so he's more aware of it, and yeah, he's got a really good awareness, self-awareness
Vaness Henry: 24:38
oh, yeah, he's. So it's wild to me what he, what he picks up on, what he's aware of, what he's tuned into, how smart he is. Yeah, my favorite thing I've ever done in my life is watch that person grow. Yeah, I want to be alive for as long as possible so I can watch him grow for as long as possible you know, I want to see it all yeah.
Derek Henry: 24:57
Yeah, it's so fun.
Vaness Henry: 24:58
So but like when I, when I look at him, dara, when I look at his design, he's he's designed to have some anxiety and I think, as as parents, it's just good for us to be aware of that be plopped in, dropped in there. He likes a safe environment. He, he's learning confrontation and emotional challenges in his life. He's not inborn knowing that and he's a feeling cognition kid. He's sensitive, he's plugged in, he's got so much empathy that he's going to feel that he's going to be overwhelmed by that sometimes.
Vaness Henry: 25:27
And I think our responsibility is recognizing when that happens and trying our best to give them the tools yeah because, you know, when he's been coming to us and being like I'm I'm feeling really anxious, I have a lot of anxiety, I I said to you like I don't feel the need to reach out to a therapist or put him with that, because I feel equipped like yeah, it's comfortable to come to us, so and and we kind of it.
Vaness Henry: 25:51
We let's talk about it, let's understand it. Like the whole family now is in in there with you, you know, and so I think he has a supportive environment. I think that's why he does open up, but, just as the parent, I'm like am I doing the right thing? Do I? Do I need the professional, because there's so many things that have been in my ear now, right of like look what's going on in the world. These kids are going to be traumatized, these kids that you know, like and look at the state of the world.
Derek Henry: 26:13
The past five years like so thank you anxiety? I think that'd be a problem but my point exactly.
Vaness Henry: 26:19
He's also plugged into that feeling on the planet more than the rest of us. So it might be even harder for him than we imagine as the world breaks apart, right especially as people who are like in wellness or work in wellness, and we we chart the skies and we we learn how those celestial bodies can influence us here on earth, or we're, you know, we're just contemplating those things, we sometimes miss it. It affects our kids as well yeah like to go through these dramatic shifts.
Vaness Henry: 26:46
They're also going through them without all the life experience that we have, and it's just harder on little bodies and it's like development, so he's just like realizing there's more of the world out there. You know, his world is getting a little bigger, a little bigger totally it's, it's scarier, right, because remember when he was younger he was scared to go to sleep because he didn't understand where he went.
Derek Henry: 27:10
Yeah, and he didn't think, ah, and he just got psyched out with that yeah, I was trying to tell him about that, like that he's already yeah, pat, like gone through some fears and like he can realize now that these fears don't last forever. He is just scared of this thing right now and it will pass. And look at your fear of sleeping. You used to be terrified and now it's your favorite thing, like. So I hope that kind of got through them a little that was beautiful, that was given some pure dad energy.
Vaness Henry: 27:37
Can I segue after feeling into you just talking like that because you teleported me back to being with my dad? Yeah, um, I've been having a harder emotional time than I thought I was going to be, and with this is my 20 year anniversary of going through treatment, being diagnosed, and 20 years ago at this time was when I was really really sick, the kind of April time, march, april, may in 2005,. I was dying and didn't know I was dying and it was having a really really hard time sleeping. I sleep so well now, derek.
Vaness Henry: 28:18
It's wild, and sleep struggles was a story for the next decade of my life.
Vaness Henry: 28:23
But I started taking stuff to help me sleep because my body wasn't breathing at night, because my lungs were collapsed, because I had this big tumor and my mom just got married. It was like welcome to the family, this kid's got something weird going on, and so to now go back and remember and relive that and have it come out of my body has been more emotionally challenging than I thought it was. That I thought it was going to be, because I find I'm psyching myself out, because I look ahead to the summer of 2005 and I know what's coming. I'm then like, locked away in a hospital. That's where I live. It's like grad and all my friends are going to go camping together and I'm looking forward to that and I don't get to go and I have bad FOMO and I'm like, locked in a hospital dying. Don't get to go and I have bad FOMO and I'm like, locked in a hospital dying and like I'm looking ahead to this summer and we're having all the Henry cousins come out and they're all like, let's say, 10 to 13.
Vaness Henry: 29:23
Like it's like a fun age. You're gonna be a cabin and like I just want to be in that. I just want to be around them watching them. But I also probably need to take some time away and be with you and have you know like I'm probably going to have a hard time there. I'm probably going to be emotional and I probably should be emotional because I'm feeling like I'm in this cleansing season and I need this ringing out of my tissues like energetically physical muscles. I don't want to have any lingering radiation in my body, like I'm just wanting it, like to get it out. Because now that I've hit this 20 year mark, I've realized I've been running for 20 years terrified, and that's pretty devastating. Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 30:08
And now that I'm like getting closer to 40 and that's when my dad died there's all new fears and anxieties coming. Like I put a lot of that, like I want you to be healthy, I put a lot of pressure on you to be healthy, derek, because I'm afraid to live my mom's story and lose you. You know. Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 30:29
And I'm aware of of that feeling in me, and so there's a little bit of a wrestle of don't put that pressure on him, be healthy as a family and move toward things as a family, but also that's my journey, mm-hmm. But so I'm just yeah and, like you know, I'm just afraid of that. There's some cool opportunities happening to me. That also happened back then. For example, I started blogging through that experience because I was pulled away from school and that was my way to stay connected with my friends and teachers and that turned into a scholarship and a bursary to journalism school and that's what I've built my life on now.
Vaness Henry: 31:10
Career, yeah, and a bursary to journalism school, and that's what I've built my life on now my career, yeah, yeah, but I also got a um online stalker as well and I got a restraining order.
Vaness Henry: 31:20
Yeah, that's fine, you know, learning about the internet and how, yeah, I was, I was manipulated and taken advantage of, and what was in the police department with this guy texting me and texting and online bullying was very new, like that wasn't, wasn't talked about when I was 17, you know, and the cops went, pulled that guy out of his house and he had a. I had a restraining order against him for, yeah, for a long time. So I'm like I'm afraid that, you know, with everything I've learned now about online life, is there going to be any karma with that? Because the karma that I feel with the writing is now I'm working with a book agent. I have publishers who want a human design at home book, so I'm able to kind of I've been working on that for a while, but now there's this opportunity of companies publishing it, wanting it and me being recognized in a different way for my work, and that feels connected back to that and I'm excited about that.
Derek Henry: 32:12
Yeah, it's an exciting moment. I know Excited for you.
Vaness Henry: 32:15
Thank you. I'm excited too Because I for a long time have wanted to put out a very beautiful coffee table book Like see all the books I collect. Can't see them on my video here, sorry, but they're all. They all have that weight, yeah. And as a sound person who's sensitive to the volume of things, I like that a weighted item that I can hold. It's beautiful, my art in it, yeah. But also I felt a call back to doing a column. I had columns in the past so I started doing enviroscopes, which is just this little thing I invented. I thought it would be fun and now I'm like I want that. I would like that to be in a bigger publication or something.
Vaness Henry: 32:59
I haven't had a column in a decade, what, how did a decade just go by and I like, haven't, you know, I know. And then I started writing for myself. But then I started writing fiction and I've I've been in contact with my former fiction publisher because we might do an anthology of all my past fiction. So there's just so much publishing opportunities around, and 20 years ago is when that story really just first started for me. I was supposed to go into graphic design and I didn't get in. That's what I wanted to do. That was my little plan. And then I got sick in grade 12. Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 33:33
Well, the summer of grade 11, going into grade 12. And I had to make my portfolio in the hospital. So I was just like it's not good quality, right, I'm not able to do I'm, you're pumping me with chemo. But, derek, I was like but I want to go, like I've got you have to recover. Anyway I did. I ended up taking a year to recover and I didn't get in. And because I had been writing through that process, my teachers had been like, hey, you know you might have something here. And yeah, it turned into, turned into a scholarship and that was called. That was a talent called out of me, because I didn't know that I had a writing talent. Right, I was like I design, yeah. And. And then when I did go into journalism, there was a design component to that program and I dominated the design in the journalism component there you go, got what you wanted.
Vaness Henry: 34:16
Anyway I got everything I wanted, you know. I just it didn't look how I thought it was gonna look, so so you know, I'm personally achieving some accomplishments and milestones for things that I've been working on and we've been talking about as a couple. We have two, so for a really long time we have been wanting to. We've been talking about living that lake life, yeah. So when did we start? First start talking about that in your memories?
Derek Henry: 34:43
2019,. I think 2018, maybe.
Vaness Henry: 34:45
It's like what was going on with us around then.
Derek Henry: 34:48
I'm trying to think about. We're in Sky House In 2018. Yeah, yeah, I with us around, then I'm trying to think about we're in sky house, uh, in 2018. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's where it started, where we got the, or was it in the motorhome, I don't even remember I remember after, after the motorhome I remember hoxley being a toddler and us contemplating if we should like move to winnipeg beach or something like.
Vaness Henry: 35:09
Should we move out of the city Like we were already living in the country, but that I had a. I had really bad postpartum, had a nervous breakdown, becoming a new parent and living in the country so distended. The way we did was too far out for me. There was not enough amenities or connection to people and I just was alone a lot. And I think, looking back as a new parent, that was probably really triggering for me, just from my previous traumas, and I don't think I had the community support I needed at that time.
Vaness Henry: 35:39
And then your dad got sick. Things were changing with your business. That was high stress for us and that's when we were going on the roof. That was our Saturn return, which is just a challenging time in our storyline as you're becoming an adult and figuring out well, how does this fucking life going to work? So we moved to the city and I remember we moved to the city but you and I were country kids so we just thought that's must be where we were supposed to be. So when we did go, put ourselves in the country and it wasn't right, and the white picket fence with the five acres, wasn't it? It was like, oh, I don't know, five acres, wasn't it? It was like, uh-oh, I don't know. At that point, though, I got invited back to red river, because I started teaching at the college and at the university simultaneously, and then we did move back to the city, and I still taught, and, being in the city, it was like this isn't right uh-oh, but at that point.
Vaness Henry: 36:29
You dissolved your business. I was starting up a company, roguewood, I think. No, roguewood was already established, excuse me. I was starting to be seen for information and I was a teacher at that point in the college, so then I started teaching online, right, and then that really changed the way we made money and how we built.
Vaness Henry: 36:46
I was like I think I could maybe take care of us, like, if you're not feeling good in your job, just yeah, go chill. So then we decided we don't know what we wanna do, we don't have direction a common theme that you have been through so we close your business, pay off debt and we buy a motor home and we start traveling. Our kid that's some of his favorite memories of his life. Motor home is such a cave to me. Here's everything in this space and we're all together safe. You know, awesome man, I'm gonna drive my home. One of my favorite things we've ever done with our life was that was the motorhome, for sure, and I think traveling across canada to lakes, different beautiful spots. I think maybe there was an anchoring in us there like we like this lake life. Because then, when the pandemic happened and we were forced back, yeah, we were like maybe we should move to the lake.
Derek Henry: 37:36
Yeah, yeah, that's when we started looking. Then we were in Manitoba at the time, in the Prairie Provinces.
Vaness Henry: 37:42
Landed without 100,000 lakes, Like there's. It's literally a tagline.
Derek Henry: 37:45
Yeah, but the nearest lake to a city is an hour drive. Right is an hour, right, right, right. So there's a hundred thousand lakes, but you're going to commute to all of them. Yeah, zero amenities.
Vaness Henry: 37:55
And now you're going to drive an hour if you want to get anything and you have half a season because there is such significant cold season here where you're not able to go and participate in that lifestyle in manitoba you're only getting four lake months I also.
Vaness Henry: 38:09
I grew up on the lake. My grandparents grandparents had a cabin. So a lot of my childhood was going out to bird Lake and the prairies and it was my dad loved it there. You know, my dad and I are both shores people so we really vibed with with that and some of my best memories are there and so when he passed away we stopped going there and I was also kind of cut off from that lake life, living in a small town, and you shared with me you had experiences growing up where you had family members who had cabins and so you know that is a big part of prairie culture. To go to the Canadian Shield, go to the cabin, you know, but then how the heck did we get on? Actually, let's move to the Okanagan.
Derek Henry: 38:46
Yeah, well, I think we realized that all our lakes were too far. We wanted to be in a city we liked.
Vaness Henry: 38:53
On a lake. Yeah, amenities on a lake.
Derek Henry: 38:56
We liked amenities, we liked having like conveniences of the city life, but we liked the lake lifestyle. Yeah, the like chill, calm vibe of the whole town.
Vaness Henry: 39:08
You know, when we came to visit friends in Kelowna and we drove over that bridge that connects the East side to the West side, I had a feeling in my body where I was like and my friends have already shown me like you can live here Cause they did it I knew someone there. Right, I don't know that I would have done it if I didn't know anyone, and like they're not our best friends, but it's great to just have friends, that you know.
Derek Henry: 39:30
We don't have to see them every day yeah but it was just a cousin living out here too at the time, so I I was seeing all her stuff too. It's like, okay, they're doing fine she's doing it.
Vaness Henry: 39:41
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, because we work online, we knew we could live anywhere and we, like, we were chasing a lifestyle. So then we moved to colonna. That was big, that took a lot resources, we sold our house, we got rid of so many things, got a tiny little place Remember that, oh my God. And then we've been chasing a place ever since, because the real estate here is so you can't. There's a lot of people who want to be here and there's not a lot of availability. So we've just been slowly jumping closer and closer to the lake.
Derek Henry: 40:12
You know, like how close to the lake city now. How do we get on the lake?
Vaness Henry: 40:17
on the lake. I want to lake view, so okay, so we moved into this new place. We're now in like a little bit of a Northern settlement. I very much feel like I'm entering the chapter where I've dreamt about I could live in the mountains and quietly write books. I could live that life and I think that would be very suitable. And when I came here and you know I love, I just told you I grew up on bird Lake I read omens. I love to study birds. I love the augury of it. There are the birds here. My meditation practice I started training meditation with using the muse headband. Do you remember that? That headband I used to wear started in about 2017?
Vaness Henry: 40:56
it tracks your brain waves yeah and when your brain's states drop and you enter into clarity, birds come out that's right.
Vaness Henry: 41:04
I remember that I fucking love this thing, derek. Love this toy, love this toy. So I got so adept with this that I could, because it shows you your brain states when you track back. But as soon as I would put it on and sit in and hear the music, my brain waves would drop right down and the birds would come out and I would just sit in bird clarity 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 400 minutes. How long can I go? I'm unlocking all these achievements. Love it. We. I would do that through the motor home. Even I did that. You know we're moving into Kelowna.
Vaness Henry: 41:33
I love this big part of my personal self-care practice. What started happening is I would go out into natural habitat, live in life and hear birds and could feel my brainwave states would drop. So I would be all of a sudden out and I know I'm in meditation. So then I started doing way more with, like, land journeys you know being out on the land because I don't need the soundtrack. Now the earthscape is the soundtrack and I can. I know when I'm in delta, when I'm in theta, when I'm in, like, I can feel that shift because I study it anyway. Sorry, high sound, don't know why I got on the whole big round.
Vaness Henry: 42:12
There's a lot of fucking birds here there are yeah now that one day we saw five eagles, I was like I've never seen so many eagles in my life. My mind's exploding. That was getting a bird book and studying all the different species of ducks on the pond yeah, who knew it? A lot of different ducks out there I had no idea there were so many freaking ducks me neither I love that there was a mallard and a loon when they're all flying in.
Vaness Henry: 42:36
So one night this is my entertainment. Now this is my entertainment. One night they were all pairing off and flying away and I'm like they're twitter painted. Those ducks are flying away to fuck for sure. They're pairing off, they're going and we just wash it up. The whole lake cleared. Hundreds of a hundred, over a hundred, counted them. Ducks fly off to go boink, love it, love that. You're back the next morning. You're back the next morning, ready to party. Sometimes, like they all congregate and they all, they all hang out, all these species of ducks, and sometimes a big predator bird comes in circles ahead and they all gathered together in the middle like they flee from the outskirts. They all gather. Fascinating.
Vaness Henry: 43:10
There's a, there's a moment in that stronger together so yep we've had this moment of being still quiet, sound, sensitive people together listen our fucking ducks on the pond while we look at the lake. I'm just higher than the lake. There's layers of water and you and I know wow, we've been manifesting this together for a long time. There's this feeling of now we're here, what's going on for you as we kind of go through that. It was a big couple manifestation we did together.
Derek Henry: 43:37
Yeah, it's just I don't know. I feel excited every day.
Vaness Henry: 43:41
Me too. That's a great way to describe it.
Derek Henry: 43:43
Crazy, like it's literally what we've been wanting for six years. We finally there.
Vaness Henry: 43:49
Derek, every time I go and hike and it's raining and I sit up on that top bench, the fucking sun comes out and I get this little sun shower and I bawl my eyes out. I'm like if anyone would come up here.
Vaness Henry: 44:00
I'm like I'm on the mountain fucking crying birds are landing beside me. I'm like fucking snow white. It's amazing and I find there's been some. You know we haven't been here long, we've just moved. There's been some challenging moments. There was big astrology life changes that we were going through and I found it's hard to stay upset as soon as I just go outside yeah, it's like the view just puts a smile on your face.
Vaness Henry: 44:23
Can't help it the view, the energy of the space. British columbia is just a healing province in my opinion. It poof, there's just an energy here. The birds to me, because I look to birds to understand the deeper meaning of things, because there's so many here and there's such an abundance to me, that's just a positive sign in and of itself. Like I can hear, it's so quiet I didn't realize how loud it was before.
Derek Henry: 44:53
Yeah, like the traffic and stuff. I, yes, I could hear them here isn't nature so loud nature's so loud it's just so loud at night because of the no, I sleep great oh the way, every night I'm like I'm out there with my mic recording the frogs.
Vaness Henry: 45:07
Or in the day, I'm like bird song at dusk, bird song at dawn, like out there. I'm like, derek, I need better microphones, are you? I've got to make a youtube channel.
Derek Henry: 45:15
Real bird sounds in the okanagan oh, it's so soothing to hear nature instead of human feels like a massage on my brain.
Vaness Henry: 45:25
It feels like something's entering through my ears and massaging my brain.
Derek Henry: 45:29
It's incredible yeah, I get that.
Vaness Henry: 45:32
So I'm just over here floating in these like theta brainwave states, or to my, go outside just like instant meditation.
Derek Henry: 45:42
Love that for you.
Vaness Henry: 45:43
So, okay, we're achieving some big wants as a couple, as individuals. There's all new chapters starting, all new energy. Our son is turning into a tween. Uh, new season unlocked. Don't know what to expect there.
Derek Henry: 45:58
That's gonna be wild I woke up this morning I thought he was gonna kill me. Just look in his eye. I'm like whoa, this is new. Remember waking up? Just angry.
Vaness Henry: 46:09
I want to say something with you. The other night we were chatting and he thinks you have like this darkness in you. He's like dad, like why don't you say these dark things? And he thinks I don't.
Derek Henry: 46:19
That's not how I thought this was going to turn out it's because I know that he thinks that, so now I do it extra to get her eyes out of I know you rile us up.
Vaness Henry: 46:28
so now he just thinks you got this dark, twisted side because you make these dark jokes about death. And he's got these anxieties about death and he thinks I'm this light, airy flower there for him. Yeah. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that was how I was going to be seen by my child, yeah, boys and their mom. Hey, oh, yeah. What is that?
Derek Henry: 46:48
they're a beautiful flower that can do no wrong tell me, what is that?
Vaness Henry: 46:51
because you, you're a mama's boy and you lost your mom and so I feel like through him.
Derek Henry: 46:55
You see the way he is with me and you're always like yeah I don't know, I don't know how to explain it our first love, I guess I noticed him getting protective of me.
Vaness Henry: 47:06
Oh yeah, did you feel that as a young man?
Derek Henry: 47:10
I don't know that I ever witnessed her ever needing protection.
Vaness Henry: 47:15
I don't feel like I do, like when do I need protection, you know? But hey, he feels me emotionally Like and I'm going through a big this is another thing, like I said to you, like I'm having a hard time emotionally, I'm being very honest and upfront, but there's no resistance. I'm letting the emotions come up and out and they are coming up and out and if my son is intimately connected and happens to feel everything that might also be contributing to his anxiety, you know, and I kind of have to take responsibility of like you got to deal with your shit because your kid is there like witnessing it and feeling it, like look at you, learn through osmosis peripherally.
Vaness Henry: 47:49
So does he yep, that's, true I love how you just like yeah, you don't continue the conversation. You know you call someone, you want to chat with them. They're like yeah yeah, I know what do you think about that?
Derek Henry: 48:02
sorry, it takes me a long time to process you don't have to apologize.
Vaness Henry: 48:05
I love how you are. It's like.
Derek Henry: 48:06
The thoughts are going in my head, but I'm not ready to say anything about them yet and you got a totally open throat and you know what?
Vaness Henry: 48:12
what does that mean to you? And I say you have a totally open throat I don't know, I can't speak, don't speak that's not what it means, but I love that that's how you interpret it, because it's good to know how.
Derek Henry: 48:23
What people immediately just think right, you're like I don't know if I would just hear open throat, I would think, oh, that person's a good talker, but I know I'm not, so it can't be true. So I just went the opposite.
Vaness Henry: 48:50
So you have, like, the highest wisdom potential in the throat, and the throat is the manifestation center. It's like how to build a life for yourself, how to get what you want, how to bring an energy and attention to things that need it, and so you might have things to learn on that, but you have the potential to be wiser than all of us about yeah. Oh that feels true for me.
Derek Henry: 49:06
Very accurate.
Vaness Henry: 49:13
I love what you get really confident in this in this over emphasized way, and I just love that I get a kick out of that like it's like you're reassuring the past.
Speaker 3: 49:23
You know how I've been treated in my past makes sense oh okay, they treat me that way because I was wise yeah, makes sense.
Derek Henry: 49:29
Oh okay, they treated me that way because I was wise.
Vaness Henry: 49:32
Yeah, makes sense, I did help them through that, you're right oh god, oh god, see, and then you tip into too much ego and I'm like now I gotta take them down. Now I gotta take them down. Yeah, an absolute pleasure and delight doing life with you, yeah, and working towards goals together, but also on our own. But not some people. Some people go through life alone.
Vaness Henry: 49:54
Derek I know I'd be sad I at times felt I was going through life alone and it was sad, and so there was a very healing part of my story meeting you and building a life with you and going through life with you. I didn't know that I needed that.
Derek Henry: 50:10
Now I know now you feel like that right now I don't know.
Vaness Henry: 50:15
What do you think? Going through life alone well, he is an only child I. I think that that's a natural way he might feel I wasn't an only child.
Vaness Henry: 50:23
So I don't know neither but when I look at his natal chart and his astrology, he is a something called a Libra North Node and Aries South Node, and so there is a part of his story that is about aloneness and the self, and he's learning how to be in relationship with others. Through the point of his life, he's doing the same lesson as my mom, the same path as my mom in a way, and, interestingly, you're the opposite. You started in Libra, you're a team player, yeah, yeah. Path as my mom in a way and, interestingly, you, interestingly, you're the opposite. You started in libra, you're a team player, yeah, yeah. And what got a big family? And you're going on the team on the path of aries, finding your way. I think that's why I push, don't, don't, don't. I think that's why I care about me.
Vaness Henry: 51:05
I just want to be part of the team oh, but this is why I push you, because you, you did, you did, you did do your dad's business. Yeah, you did come in, step in and start supporting me with my work in the world and I want to make sure that you're going after the things that you want to go after in life, because I don't want you to fucking die and check out too soon because you're not following your heart. You know what I mean. Like I'm making it light a little bit, but it is serious and so, in this roundabout way, we kind of get back to where you're not sure about. If you want to go to school now, you don't have to do that. If you want to go from the ground up, make connections in sports and go do something in golf and with the indigenous championship connections that you have, or if you you you know what I mean Like I just want you to do what you want.
Derek Henry: 51:53
Yeah, I just got to put myself out there and things will come to me.
Vaness Henry: 51:56
What do you want to do? Where do you want your energy to go? Right?
Vaness Henry: 52:00
now we're starting, well, we're starting all new chapters, right, all new stories. We haven't told ourselves before these, these paths. We're done. We've learned the lessons. Look at achievement done made. We got here where we were trying to go. Now, what Now? Where are we going Now? What do we want to do as a couple? Well, we only know that if we figure out what we want to do as individuals, and that's how we decide where we go as a family. So you're looking ahead at your life you could do anything. Everything is available to you. What do you actually?
Derek Henry: 52:26
want to work on a team in a team environment, outdoors and ideally in golf.
Vaness Henry: 52:33
Love that. Where would you start?
Derek Henry: 52:35
Do a little editing on the side.
Vaness Henry: 52:37
Right Cause you, you still do enjoy that Right. Okay, so you're wanting to maintain great Cause, I don't want to look for someone new. I don't want to look for someone new. I don't want to look for someone new. You know what the feedback we get? A lot with our six two projects me is is um, you guys know my sound, you know what I sound like. I think that's a nice.
Vaness Henry: 52:54
I think it's quite the compliment it's very nice, yeah yeah, hey, especially you know, we have these women who come back, come back, come back, that we do more, we do other things yep there's a trust there because they feel like we have captured their sound. But yeah, because yeah found their sound. That's fun. That's fun I, I enjoy that it is fun so you are wanting to maintain that, but you're like I don't know that I need to invest right more into that because you've got it. I've got what I need. I don't like I'm scared.
Derek Henry: 53:22
I'm gonna go learn what I don't know, or learn something I don't I already know I think the investment of school would be like transitioning from out of podcast editing, I guess, to more music production and like making the actual intro song making digitizing the sounds yourself, writing them yourself even like creating just music to put on whatever, like soundcloud or whatever any of those, oh my god right.
Vaness Henry: 53:48
There's so many things you could do. You we license music all the time. You could become the person who's made the music for other people to license. You can capture SFX and do an SFX library and people are licensing your SFX Like it's. It's not the just that you have to go try and make a song for Kesha, or do you know what I mean? I was listening to.
Vaness Henry: 54:06
Kesha the other day. I was listening to Kesha the other day. That's where that came from. But you know, like there's, there's so many things that you could could do.
Derek Henry: 54:13
Yeah, Like even with once that show we do on the roof, I love doing all the sound effects. So you know you can do, just go get a job in sound effects for commercials or, if I can, yeah, I do.
Vaness Henry: 54:32
I do want to cause. I don't want to do so much of the video labor and I am.
Vaness Henry: 54:35
I would like to, but only if you want to. Okay, sacral sound Okay. So it sounds like there's enough satisfaction from sound production that we're doing and maybe a reevaluating if you need to go actually and invest in formal education, because you're quote, unquote, self-taught. But also, derek, I was trained in that and I have trained you Like you have had certain teaching. You know what I mean and you have a natural talent. You know what I mean. So it's just yeah. But what I'm hearing is maybe there's not enough pleasure and you're wanting life to have a little bit more of that and generators do kind of discover that you can make a living on your pleasure. Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 55:13
And they don't always realize that. Yeah, that's what I'd like to do. I could totally see you like just playing, going to golf tournaments, making connections, bumping into people. You're very charming, you're always in the right place at the right time and that opportunity just come to you because you were simply in the right environment, that'd be nice and like then you're a guy and you're really really good golfer, like so you know the sport, but you have that business mind, that management mind.
Vaness Henry: 55:38
You now have 20 years of experience with stuff like that. Yeah, there's a lot you could do. Yeah, in the world of golf I'm sure there is.
Derek Henry: 55:47
Yeah, it's gonna get my foot in the door. What?
Vaness Henry: 55:48
are you gonna fucking do with your life? Hey, what are you going to do? I have no idea. I can't wait to watch.
Derek Henry: 55:54
I don't know, just got to get a foot in the door somewhere. Not at all.
Vaness Henry: 55:59
Where do you go? How do you get a foot in the door?
Derek Henry: 56:02
Get a job in golf or get a job in music production.
Vaness Henry: 56:06
What if you don't get quote unquote a job? What if you do your thing and someone just discovers you? Yeah, like a golf influencer yeah, like okay, right, oh, my god, you could totally do that open throat, learning how to get attention for anything, whatever you want yeah, that'd be fun, but then it's like I need a cameraman, I need all this, so it ah but like we do that, I know I have a person to follow me around. I don't know anyone in this city, so I know, I know. Yeah, I mean, you could hire someone.
Vaness Henry: 56:41
Good, but you won't. Yeah, I don't know. But because you're like I could do it myself yeah.
Derek Henry: 56:46
I need someone to bounce ideas off of. I need a partner.
Vaness Henry: 56:49
Yeah, six line problems, transpersonal problems, some of us, we just need the like. I'm always trying to start a solo podcast, but I need someone to talk to Like, episode after episode after episode of me just talking to me. I don't know, I don't know.
Derek Henry: 57:05
Well, let's start one. Maybe this is how you get me out of my shell.
Vaness Henry: 57:08
Oh God, maybe this is how you get me out of my shell. Oh god, the thing is, when we like because I'm a bulldozer, then it just turns into me talking and monologuing for over you and I don't look good. You know, like I, I really do have to learn how to host. Hey, you're the host, but wouldn't you be the co-host?
Vaness Henry: 57:28
okay, that, so that sound means that's not quite it I'd be like the producer that the host talks to sometimes, you know so it's still just me, okay, you know how howard stern his show has, like the guy, the op in the back, what's his name? Fred norris and he is like replies with a sound effect. That's you that's me but as the person who would be playing howard stern in this I still need a robin, yeah, I still need the other person to like yeah right, right right you don't like talking?
Vaness Henry: 58:00
I don't. You don't have to talk, like even the on the roof show it's. I gotta pull teeth to get you to respond yeah, and and actually that's an old story.
Derek Henry: well, maybe I just gotta do it more
Vaness Henry: 58:11
That's not true in the in the recent seasons. You're so animated, you're so chatty, I shouldn't keep telling that story. You've come a long way, or we're telling new stories now, Derek Henry,
Derek Henry: Don't keep me in a box babe.
Vaness Henry: You're right, I'm so sorry.
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